The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????

[Erich]

my understanding is YES there were many test reports as III./JG 301 besides Bruno Stolles test Kommando which trained III. gruppe pilots with of course minimal training - hop in take er for a spin. As to where the reports have fallen ? probably along with many important docs of 1945 in one of those 12 ton trucks vapourized near Berlin.

 

[Morai_Milo]

Leutnant Hagedorn (still alive and I have a signed bookplate via Weisenr from him), flew Yellow 2 on 2 February 45 while in III./JG 301 along with pilots Bübi Blum and Hauptman Benno Rühe. Hagedorn says they flew to 43,290 feet and flew at an incredible speed of 508-515 mph. "I'd never had such a fast aircraft under my behind in all my life".

That is a ground speed of 508-515mph. The speed was worked out with the help of Fw test pilot Kneemeier after the flight.

 

[Soren]

Ground speed equals TAS.

 

[twoeagles]

Ground speed equals TAS.

....oops....those doggone headwinds....

 

[Soren]

In zero wind conditions ofcourse..

I doubt they were flying with the wind during all those speed runs.

 

[davparlr]

In zero wind conditions ofcourse..

I doubt they were flying with the wind during all those speed runs.

This is not a valid statement. Finding zero wind at high altitude is not a reasonable criteria for an aerodynamic test. Because of uncertainty of wind speed, TAS is generally calculated using atmospheric data not including wind.

 

[davparlr]

my understanding is YES there were many test reports as III./JG 301 besides Bruno Stolles test Kommando which trained III. gruppe pilots with of course minimal training - hop in take er for a spin. As to where the reports have fallen ? probably along with many important docs of 1945 in one of those 12 ton trucks vapourized near Berlin.

A loss for all of us.

 

[Soren]

You're right Davparlr, hit myself on the head with that one

 

[twoeagles]

Gotta watch out for old Air Force and Navy Pilots!

 

[davparlr]

You're right Davparlr, hit myself on the head with that one

We all hit ourselves on the head at times. Mine is pretty dinted!

 

[kiwimac]

It is interesting to speculate what would have happened had the TA-152 been available earlier. They could have made life quite difficult for US Bomber crews.

 

[Lucky13]

Just for fun here fellow forum travellers... How would a Ta-152C get on in a Reno Air race?

 

[davparlr]

Just for fun here fellow forum travellers... How would a Ta-152C get on in a Reno Air race?

The plane is pretty clean. Clean it up, and modify/replace the engine to generate 3000 hp (like all a the other racers) and it probably would do just fine.

 

[HealzDevo]

Would it have the manevourability to make it easy to get through the gates at that speed?

 

[davparlr]

Would it have the manevourability to make it easy to get through the gates at that speed?

I think that aircraft line was noted for being quite maneuverable.

 

[HealzDevo]

Okay then it would probably go well at Reno, although first you have to find one and my understanding is that they are sort of rare...

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

There is only one and it is in Washington DC.

 

[Lucky13]

Probably would cost an obscene amount of $$ to make a flyable exact replica like they have done with the Me 262....

 

[Erich]

there still is the hope that the techs at the Smithsonian will get W. Loos Grüne 4 H-0 up and running, doubtful but I have hope .......

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Probably would cost an obscene amount of $$ to make a flyable exact replica like they have done with the Me 262....

Dont think so, there is a company here in Germany that is building Fw-190s and soon to be Bf 109s.