The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I disagree with this. Greatest is not in the performance in test, but rather delivery in the game. Emmit Smith was too small and to slow to be a pro runner, but he will be considered one of the greatest runners to play football. Greg Maddux could not throw a fastball worth a darn, yet he will be considered one of the greatest pitchers ever to play baseball. I have never voted for the F-22 or F-35 as the best fighters ever. My vote is always the F-15, strickly due to performance when bullets are flying. You can't claim to be the greatest when all you've done is spar.

A few Ta-152H were good against previous generation aircaft, but it never was tested against the likes of the P-51H, P-47N/M, F4U-4, or advance Brit fighters. Also, it apparently never overcame its break-in problems. In football, for records to count, a certain number of quarters must be played. The Ta-152H just did not play enough quarters in the game to qualify.

I actually agree with you dont take me wrong. My beef is that the same people that discredit the Ta-152H say that the P-51H as the best. Using that same arguement how can one say the P-51H is the best? It never saw any combat in WW2 at all...

 

[drgondog]

I agree with both of you. However I must never remain silent on this subject.

I will always maintain that the 51H is the Best Version of the Most Important Fighter for the most crucial mission of WWII. There, I've said it and as always often wrong - never uncertain.

IMHO The most crucial mission was the destruction of the Luftwaffe, wresting air superiority to point of making Strategic Bombing the most decisive factor in the air war. The lesser capability 51's broke the lesser capable Fw190s and Me109s and their experienced pilots (a huge percentage) over Targets in Central North and Southern Germany as well as Poland and Czech targets... when the 47's didn't have the range and daylight bombing doctrine was somewhat on a knife edge.

I will then put my foot in my mouth and say that the Ta152 was the Best (even though it really was fresh design - it still get's lumped in with the Fw190) of one of the Best Fighters of WWII..the same reason I love the 190D.

Regards to you both

Bill

 

[davparlr]

I actually agree with you dont take me wrong. My beef is that the same people that discredit the Ta-152H say that the P-51H as the best. Using that same arguement how can one say the P-51H is the best? It never saw any combat in WW2 at all...

That's why I have never said that the P-51H was the best of anything. The Ta-152H had the potential of being the best high altitude fighter, even compared to the other similar aircraft I mentioned. The P-51H was a hot rod and probably would have been a formidable fighter, it just never had the chance to prove itself.

 

[Soren]

Wasn't GregP banned ?

 

[lesofprimus]

I think so...

 

[Glider]

Throwing a slightly different angle to this argument. How would the Meteor III far in this discussion. It was faster than the TA152, lacked its agility was better armed, performed well at altitude and had a good range.
In most respects it was considered a better fighter than the Tempest which was no slouch.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Lucky13]

The pilots appreciated the additional power provided by the Meteor III relative to the Meteor I, as well as the improved view with the new canopy. However, the ailerons had been deliberately wired to be "heavy" to prevent aerobatic maneuvers from overstressing the wings, and pilots complained that flying the aircraft could be very tiring; this had not been a problem with the Meteor I, since it hadn't been cleared for aerobatic maneuvers. Pilots also complained that the machine tended to "snake" at high speed, limiting its accuracy as a gun platform, and it tended to become uncontrollable in a dive due to compressibility buffeting. However, the aircraft was basically liked. A flight combat exercise against the excellent Hawker Tempest V piston fighter concluded:

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The Meteor III is superior to the Tempest V in almost all departments. If it were not for the heaviness of its ailerons and the consequent poor maneuverability in the rolling plane, and the adverse effect of snaking on it as a gun platform, it would be a comparable all-round fighter with greatly increased performance.

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[Soren]

I think so...

Yes Adler banned him. He kept registering with different aliases after having been banned multiple times.

 

[Lucky13]

Multiple personalities??

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes and the ban was only a temp ban of a few days.

 

[Soren]

Roger.

 

[Erich]

to get us back on topic I am going to add a little suspense .... got something via Germany/Czech in the email today ..........

and yes it has something to do with the Ta 152H-1

back soon ~

 

[Erich]

guess who's decorations ?? courtesy of R. Susil and and the winners son

 

[twoeagles]

Holy cow! That is really a beautiful and historic set of chest candy!
I think my hair would stand up if I ever touched something authentic like this.

 

[Lucky13]

Almost felt my neck hair rising there....

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Willi Reschkes awards....

 

[Erich]

yes you are right Chris, I gave it away with my header to R.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Cool......

 

[Erich]

am going to ask Will what happened to his DK in gold - pretty well beat up

 

[Lucky13]

Soren and all, what would the scenery have been if there had been as many Ta 152H-1's and C's as P-51D at the end of 1944?