The Ta-152.... The Best High Altitude Fighter?????
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Davparlr mentions that he's heard they were grounded - I however have seen no evidence of that yet.
Besides I was responding more to your ridiculous remark about the Ta-152H being a poor design, poor design had nothing to with the bugs apparent in some of the Ta-152H's in service - manufacturing conditions on the other hand did. The Ta-152H was a brilliant design and no less, and it scored itself an 11 to 1 kill ratio before wars end.
PS:
Don't rely on the internet as your source of reference, so much false crap has been and is written on it.
Besides I was responding more to your ridiculous remark about the Ta-152H being a poor design, poor design had nothing to with the bugs apparent in some of the Ta-152H's in service - manufacturing conditions on the other hand did. The Ta-152H was a brilliant design and no less, and it scored itself an 11 to 1 kill ratio before wars end.
PS:
Don't rely on the internet as your source of reference, so much false crap has been and is written on it.
Nobody seems to dispute the fact that all the 152-H were grounded here
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/polls/p51d-k-vs-me109k-14-a-4120-6.html
Maybe you should look around..
TA152 GROUNDED - Google Search
Later I will give you more, if you feel it is necessary
but with less than 70 delivered and having them all grounded ...
They seem obviously overrated- by some people here..
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/polls/p51d-k-vs-me109k-14-a-4120-6.html
Maybe you should look around..
TA152 GROUNDED - Google Search
Later I will give you more, if you feel it is necessary
but with less than 70 delivered and having them all grounded ...
They seem obviously overrated- by some people here..
As far as I recall they overcame the early engine fires and Monograms book on the 152 mentions a pilots account of using a 152 after the armistice. Of course this is from one source only, but it seems most of those articles listed in your searck are copies from Wiki.
Lucky13
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Well it says: By the end of April 1945, caused in part to the issues seen in testing and early production and the lack of spare parts, the Luftwaffe eventually grounded all Ta 152 H's, leaving only two Ta 152C's operational.
A lot could have happened before the end of April 1945, right?
I've been thinking to contact todays Luftwaffe to see who they recommend to talk to....
A lot could have happened before the end of April 1945, right?
I've been thinking to contact todays Luftwaffe to see who they recommend to talk to....
DonL
Banned
sorry Jackson,
but I can't find any source in my books and no source in german that say all TA 152H were grounded! The engine Jumo 213 was built 9000 times between the war! There is no Problem with this engine and the TA 152H.
Also I have a source that over 150 TA 152H were built in Cottbus till the end of the War!
but I can't find any source in my books and no source in german that say all TA 152H were grounded! The engine Jumo 213 was built 9000 times between the war! There is no Problem with this engine and the TA 152H.
Also I have a source that over 150 TA 152H were built in Cottbus till the end of the War!
Lucky13
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"In the spring of 1945, Reschke was transferred to the Stab/301, which was equipped with new Ta 152. Flying this machine, Reschke shot down a Tempest piloted by Warrant Officer O.J. Mitchell, of 486 Squadron on 14 April 1945. On 20 April, Reschke was awarded the Knights Cross for his 25 victories. Four days later, five Ta 152s were surrounded in a dogfight with a formation of Yak-9s. Reshcke destroyed two of them, being his two last victories, and losing the group a Ta 152."
"Walter Loos was born on 11 April 1923 at Oppenheim in Rheinhessen. Following flying training he was sent to III./JG 3 in January 1944. He claimed his first aerial victory in the big aerial battle over Berlin on 6 March 1944 claiming a USAAF B-17 Herausschuss. Later he was transferred to IV. Sturmgruppe/JG 3. When Oberst Walter Dahl (129 victories, RK-EL) became Kommodore of JG 300 in July 1944, Loos joined with him to serve on the Geschwaderstab. On 29 September, Loos was awarded the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold. Loos was posted to undertake instructing duties with Ergänzungs-Jagdgruppe Ost in October 1944. He returned to combat duty with JG 301 where he was assigned to the Geschwaderstab. With this unit he flew the Focke-Wulf Ta 152 for the first time at Soltau-Hannover. He gained several successes over Russian fighters around Berlin flying the Ta-152 in the dying days of the war. On 20 April 1945, Walter Loos was awarded the Ritterkreuz for 36 victories. Walter Loos flew 66 combat missions to achieve 38 confirmed victories and 8 unconfirmed. 30 enemy aircraft were claimed on the Western Front, 22 of them four-engined bombers. He himself was shot down nine times."
"Walter Loos was born on 11 April 1923 at Oppenheim in Rheinhessen. Following flying training he was sent to III./JG 3 in January 1944. He claimed his first aerial victory in the big aerial battle over Berlin on 6 March 1944 claiming a USAAF B-17 Herausschuss. Later he was transferred to IV. Sturmgruppe/JG 3. When Oberst Walter Dahl (129 victories, RK-EL) became Kommodore of JG 300 in July 1944, Loos joined with him to serve on the Geschwaderstab. On 29 September, Loos was awarded the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold. Loos was posted to undertake instructing duties with Ergänzungs-Jagdgruppe Ost in October 1944. He returned to combat duty with JG 301 where he was assigned to the Geschwaderstab. With this unit he flew the Focke-Wulf Ta 152 for the first time at Soltau-Hannover. He gained several successes over Russian fighters around Berlin flying the Ta-152 in the dying days of the war. On 20 April 1945, Walter Loos was awarded the Ritterkreuz for 36 victories. Walter Loos flew 66 combat missions to achieve 38 confirmed victories and 8 unconfirmed. 30 enemy aircraft were claimed on the Western Front, 22 of them four-engined bombers. He himself was shot down nine times."
Erich
the old Sage
well jackson your statement and internet sources for H's being grounded is pure Bull **** I sure do not know why you believe in pulling up short straws without factual evidence, same B.S. stating the Ta 152H via the net and lousy books was produced for popping B-29's; what a joke !
sorry man but that is plain wrong and I dispute it 100 % and that is according to the pilots that flew that crate..........
I can also give you of evidence of C's being stripped from themselves being used for the operating H's and several not just 2 V's used on ops against the soviets..........
guess I am getting a bit peeved but can tell you are all going - to get some real eye opening stuff in your face in about 2 years time if things go well in the publishing realm, monogram book or no. Now enough of these joking myths please ~
sorry man but that is plain wrong and I dispute it 100 % and that is according to the pilots that flew that crate..........
I can also give you of evidence of C's being stripped from themselves being used for the operating H's and several not just 2 V's used on ops against the soviets..........
guess I am getting a bit peeved but can tell you are all going - to get some real eye opening stuff in your face in about 2 years time if things go well in the publishing realm, monogram book or no. Now enough of these joking myths please ~
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
I am afraid that we are going to be stuck with the data we have until they are indeed proven myths. Hopefully, in a couple of years, some enlightenment will occur, one way or another.
Erich
the old Sage
the two that I mentioned are and that is proven from Flugbuchs as well as the pilots mouths
yes myths are going to abound and I could even bring some up if I felt like it. no matter some conclusions will be taken within a 2 yr period
yes myths are going to abound and I could even bring some up if I felt like it. no matter some conclusions will be taken within a 2 yr period
Focke-Wulf Ta152H
Between October 1944 and February 1945 when production ended, Focke-Wulf managed to roll 67 completed Ta 152 aircraft (H-0, H-1, and C-1 models) off the line but these fighters put on a disappointing show. Some aircraft were lost to engine fires while a variety of other engine problems and spares shortages grounded most of the fleet. By April 30, 1945, only two Ta 152C-1s remained operational. The Luftwaffe had grounded all H-models--an ignominious end for combat aircraft with great potential.
(as written by the only people in the world who actually currently OWN a TA-152)
Show me yours and I will drive about 10 minutes away and ask my friend, the docent at the museum, to check his sources..
I will accept the word of someone who actually OWNS one...as being knowledgable as to the aircrafts history.
If you have 'better' sources than the only OWNERS in the world, who may be the worlds premier aircraft historians, let me know. I will have them correct the plaque where the worlds only Ta-152 sits on display.
Yeah, it is an merely 'internet source' as posted by the OWNERS of such an aircraft... I wonder, did any of you even check/read this previously posted link? - and it's source
let it roll...
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Between October 1944 and February 1945 when production ended, Focke-Wulf managed to roll 67 completed Ta 152 aircraft (H-0, H-1, and C-1 models) off the line but these fighters put on a disappointing show. Some aircraft were lost to engine fires while a variety of other engine problems and spares shortages grounded most of the fleet. By April 30, 1945, only two Ta 152C-1s remained operational. The Luftwaffe had grounded all H-models--an ignominious end for combat aircraft with great potential.
(as written by the only people in the world who actually currently OWN a TA-152)
Show me yours and I will drive about 10 minutes away and ask my friend, the docent at the museum, to check his sources..
I will accept the word of someone who actually OWNS one...as being knowledgable as to the aircrafts history.
If you have 'better' sources than the only OWNERS in the world, who may be the worlds premier aircraft historians, let me know. I will have them correct the plaque where the worlds only Ta-152 sits on display.
Yeah, it is an merely 'internet source' as posted by the OWNERS of such an aircraft... I wonder, did any of you even check/read this previously posted link? - and it's source
let it roll...
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
According to Mr. Reschke, Loos scored a Yak-9 on 30 April 45 in a 152, and then the Geschwaderstab JG301 moved airfields to Leck and were supposed to turn over their aircraft to JG11, and stayed there till the surrender on May 8th.... There was no grounding of these aircrafts....
They own a JG 301 TA-152H..the only one in existence.
The people who own one, and restored it said it was sabotaged, wood held together with chewing gum and boogers.. (built by slaves?)
You would have thought taking one apart, piece by piece, they would have learned something. It never flew any high altitude combat, probably for a reason..I gather from what the owners say..It was junk.
But with a one or two billion dollar aircraft collection, the worlds largest, they probably make a few mistakes once in a while.
The people who own one, and restored it said it was sabotaged, wood held together with chewing gum and boogers.. (built by slaves?)
You would have thought taking one apart, piece by piece, they would have learned something. It never flew any high altitude combat, probably for a reason..I gather from what the owners say..It was junk.
But with a one or two billion dollar aircraft collection, the worlds largest, they probably make a few mistakes once in a while.
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