Virginia governor closes gun loophole...

And robberies per capita:

[The taking, or attempting to take, anything of value from the care, custody, or control of another person or persons by force or threat of force or violence]
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#1 Spain: 12.3265 per 1,000 people
#2 Chile: 6.92522 per 1,000 people
#3 Costa Rica: 4.79109 per 1,000 people
#4 South Africa: 4.4434 per 1,000 people
#5 Estonia: 3.56639 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 2.02555 per 1,000 people
#7 Portugal: 1.6237 per 1,000 people
#8 United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people
#9 Uruguay: 1.57114 per 1,000 people
#10 Poland: 1.38838 per 1,000 people
#11 United States: 1.38527 per 1,000 people
#12 Latvia: 1.37991 per 1,000 people
#13 Venezuela: 1.37833 per 1,000 people
#14 Lithuania: 1.21601 per 1,000 people
#15 Australia: 1.16048 per 1,000 people
#16 Netherlands: 1.13549 per 1,000 people
#17 Zimbabwe: 0.974838 per 1,000 people
#18 Mauritius: 0.947197 per 1,000 people
#19 Russia: 0.923114 per 1,000 people
#20 Jamaica: 0.851974 per 1,000 people
#21 Dominica: 0.82574 per 1,000 people
#22 Canada: 0.823411 per 1,000 people
#23 Germany: 0.720773 per 1,000 people
#24 Seychelles: 0.652806 per 1,000 people
#25 Italy: 0.649295 per 1,000 people
#26 Malaysia: 0.613535 per 1,000 people
#27 Papua New Guinea: 0.612083 per 1,000 people
#28 Ireland: 0.601096 per 1,000 people
#29 Denmark: 0.580265 per 1,000 people
#30 Bulgaria: 0.572617 per 1,000 people
#31 Colombia: 0.571239 per 1,000 people
#32 Moldova: 0.569921 per 1,000 people
#33 Belarus: 0.550291 per 1,000 people
#34 Finland: 0.497798 per 1,000 people
#35 Hong Kong: 0.497608 per 1,000 people
#36 Ukraine: 0.455965 per 1,000 people
#37 New Zealand: 0.439901 per 1,000 people
#38 France: 0.400686 per 1,000 people
#39 Czech Republic: 0.400254 per 1,000 people
#40 Norway: 0.387764 per 1,000 people
#41 Hungary: 0.349156 per 1,000 people
#42 Kyrgyzstan: 0.290906 per 1,000 people
#43 Switzerland: 0.290827 per 1,000 people
#44 Indonesia: 0.253168 per 1,000 people
#45 Zambia: 0.239655 per 1,000 people
#46 Slovenia: 0.235704 per 1,000 people
#47 Slovakia: 0.232738 per 1,000 people
#48 Sri Lanka: 0.231597 per 1,000 people
#49 Romania: 0.185535 per 1,000 people
#50 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.144743 per 1,000 people
#51 Iceland: 0.11458 per 1,000 people
#52 Tunisia: 0.0950869 per 1,000 people
#53 Korea, South: 0.093008 per 1,000 people
#54 Greece: 0.078084 per 1,000 people
#55 Georgia: 0.0718409 per 1,000 people
#56 Armenia: 0.0543077 per 1,000 people
#57 Japan: 0.040599 per 1,000 people
#58 India: 0.0263001 per 1,000 people
#59 Turkey: 0.0234421 per 1,000 people
#60 Saudi Arabia: 0.0226361 per 1,000 people
#61 Azerbaijan: 0.0183266 per 1,000 people
#62 Thailand: 0.0121522 per 1,000 people
#63 Yemen: 0.00844309 per 1,000 people
#64 Qatar: 0.00463472 per 1,000 people

And crime per capita:

[Note that crime statistics are better indicators of the presence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual crime prevalence]
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#1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
#14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people
#15 Seychelles: 52.9265 per 1,000 people
#16 Hungary: 44.9763 per 1,000 people
#17 Estonia: 43.3601 per 1,000 people
#18 Czech Republic: 38.2257 per 1,000 people
#19 Italy: 37.9633 per 1,000 people
#20 Switzerland: 36.1864 per 1,000 people
#21 Portugal: 34.3833 per 1,000 people
#22 Slovenia: 33.6236 per 1,000 people
#23 Poland: 32.8573 per 1,000 people
#24 Korea, South: 31.7267 per 1,000 people
#25 Mauritius: 29.1982 per 1,000 people
#26 Zimbabwe: 28.8753 per 1,000 people
#27 Lithuania: 22.8996 per 1,000 people
#28 Spain: 22.8867 per 1,000 people
#29 Latvia: 21.921 per 1,000 people
#30 Uruguay: 21.7017 per 1,000 people
#31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
#32 Ireland: 20.2376 per 1,000 people
#33 Bulgaria: 19.9886 per 1,000 people
#34 Japan: 19.177 per 1,000 people
#35 Romania: 16.4812 per 1,000 people
#36 Slovakia: 16.3537 per 1,000 people
#37 Jamaica: 14.3231 per 1,000 people
#38 Belarus: 13.1592 per 1,000 people
#39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
#40 Tunisia: 12.5634 per 1,000 people
#41 Costa Rica: 11.9788 per 1,000 people
#42 Ukraine: 11.7793 per 1,000 people
#43 Hong Kong: 11.6817 per 1,000 people
#44 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 9.689 per 1,000 people
#45 Greece: 9.6347 per 1,000 people
#46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
#47 Thailand: 8.80422 per 1,000 people
#48 Moldova: 8.58967 per 1,000 people
#49 Kyrgyzstan: 7.50486 per 1,000 people
#50 Malaysia: 6.97921 per 1,000 people
#51 Qatar: 6.76437 per 1,000 people
#52 Zambia: 5.27668 per 1,000 people
#53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
#54 Turkey: 4.11252 per 1,000 people
#55 Armenia: 4.03889 per 1,000 people
#56 Georgia: 3.21338 per 1,000 people
#57 Papua New Guinea: 2.39711 per 1,000 people
#58 Azerbaijan: 1.76416 per 1,000 people
#59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people
#60 Yemen: 1.16109 per 1,000 people

And just for grins, police per capita:

[Interesting to think that with Italy having 5 police per 1,000, that in a typical highschool in the US with 1500 students, that would mean 7 or 8 policemen on campus! That would be unheard of!!!]
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#1 Montserrat: 7.81501 per 1,000 people
#2 Mauritius: 7.28432 per 1,000 people
#3 Dominica: 6.40311 per 1,000 people
#4 Italy: 5.55565 per 1,000 people
#5 Hong Kong: 4.79374 per 1,000 people
#6 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 4.7868 per 1,000 people
#7 Portugal: 4.64878 per 1,000 people
#8 Kazakhstan: 4.54998 per 1,000 people
#9 Latvia: 4.51878 per 1,000 people
#10 Czech Republic: 4.47613 per 1,000 people
#11 Slovakia: 3.72086 per 1,000 people
#12 Lithuania: 3.53934 per 1,000 people
#13 Malaysia: 3.43936 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand: 3.35665 per 1,000 people
#15 Kyrgyzstan: 3.25049 per 1,000 people
#16 Slovenia: 3.14023 per 1,000 people
#17 Moldova: 3.01481 per 1,000 people
#18 Germany: 2.91153 per 1,000 people
#19 Ireland: 2.8989 per 1,000 people
#20 Hungary: 2.88528 per 1,000 people
#21 Spain: 2.86696 per 1,000 people
#22 South Africa: 2.7668 per 1,000 people
#23 Estonia: 2.72543 per 1,000 people
#24 Poland: 2.61367 per 1,000 people
#25 Jamaica: 2.57054 per 1,000 people
#26 Georgia: 2.46034 per 1,000 people
#27 Norway: 2.42412 per 1,000 people
#28 Turkey: 2.38057 per 1,000 people
#29 Iceland: 2.24441 per 1,000 people
#30 Romania: 2.18728 per 1,000 people
#31 Colombia: 2.12215 per 1,000 people
#32 Australia: 2.09293 per 1,000 people
#33 France: 2.049 per 1,000 people
#34 United Kingdom: 2.04871 per 1,000 people
#35 Switzerland: 1.93617 per 1,000 people
#36 Netherlands: 1.92448 per 1,000 people
#37 Denmark: 1.91716 per 1,000 people
#38 Chile: 1.85583 per 1,000 people
#39 Korea, South: 1.85461 per 1,000 people
#40 Japan: 1.81103 per 1,000 people
#41 Sri Lanka: 1.72484 per 1,000 people
#42 Canada: 1.70767 per 1,000 people
#43 Zimbabwe: 1.68859 per 1,000 people
#44 Finland: 1.56347 per 1,000 people
#45 Zambia: 1.13674 per 1,000 people
#46 Papua New Guinea: 0.985032 per 1,000 people
#47 India: 0.956207 per 1,000 people
#48 Costa Rica: 0.370767 per 1,000 people

The US may have more gun related violence but in all those other countries they use knives, bats, sticks, and whatever else. I think the rest of the world should ban knives and bats and sticks.

See how stupid this is.

You know two things come to mind when you read these statistics.

1) Whether the murder/homicide/manslaughter rates are artificially inflated by criminal-on-criminal acts, and;

2) Whether the legal systems in individual countries operate with dissimilar justice systems, legal definitions, common reporting by victims and unique customs that impact all of the above.

I bet if you really did your homework that the actual comparisons between dissimilar countries is nothing more than a vague benchmark and is really statistically meaningless.

I wondered how long it would take for a reply to that post, 22 minutes . Not bad

I think this says it all...

I'd like to see the stats of legal vs illegal firearm homicides...

I don't think America has anything to lose by trying gun control.

If take as many guns as possible out of circulation, it will have an effect...

Clave said:

I'd like to see the stats of legal vs illegal firearm homicides...

I don't think America has anything to lose by trying gun control.

If take as many guns as possible out of circulation, it will have an effect...

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No, because then the decent people (which is the majority of the country, even though foriegners choose not to believe so ) should not have to give up there rights to own firearms.

I would also like to state again, that the US does have fire arm controls set in place....

So does every other country in the world and they still have gun homicides too!

Clave said:

I'd like to see the stats of legal vs illegal firearm homicides...

I don't think America has anything to lose by trying gun control.

If take as many guns as possible out of circulation, it will have an effect...

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America already has gun control laws. There's a background check for every gun purchase (as shown in this thread, but the system broke down due to the bureaucracy between the state and federal government). In certain states you have to register your guns. In certain states you can't own certain types guns (the so called assault weapon) and in certain cities handguns are prohibited. Does it work? NO. Washington DC - the nation's capital has the strictest gun laws in the country but yet has the highest murder rates.

America doesn't need gun control, it needs criminal control....

Oh there's no doubt about that, I just don't see the actual problem with closing all gun shops and destroying all the guns that are out there...just as an experiment you know...

If they are closed how will the normal decent law abiding citizens (which again is the majority of the nation) get there legally owned fire arms that they have the right to own?

Clave said:

Oh there's no doubt about that, I just don't see the actual problem with closing all gun shops and destroying all the guns that are out there...just as an experiment you know...

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How are you going to get the illegal guns - those acquired on the black market and used in most of the crimes committed with guns? House to house search? Sounds real democratic to me!

Hey Clave. How about banning all art since a few promote racism, hatred and warmongering with their depictions. Lets just start with a moratorium on all art. Ban it all for just a while. An experiment you know. Just to see what happens. See if the bad art stops.

I thought you were smarter than that...

If the US wants its citizens to own a billion weapons its entirely their choice and nothing to do with other nations
Like wise if other nations choose not to its their choice

I still don't understand...

I'm am not a ****ing Liberal! I am however in favour of discussing ideas you know? talking about stuff without people jumping on some 'STFU Liberal!' stereotype..

At the end of the day it's YOU who have the problem, not ME... The amount of gun crime here is a fly speck compared to the USA, so why should I bother?

It's simple - these things, trends, or whatever, pass form country to country, and so a big problem in the USA becomes a minor problem in the UK, and then it escalates...

Soo.. I'll put it another way: How many lives do you think would be saved if you all were prepared to sacrifice your guns?

Clave said:

Soo.. I'll put it another way: How many lives do you think would be saved if you all were prepared to sacrifice your guns?

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Ask the criminal who perpetuate those crimes the same question...

You still didn't come up with an answer on how you would get everyone to turn in their guns. Door to door searches? Outdoor disposal canisters?

Even though the UK has a nano percent of the gun violence we have here, you still have people getting murdered with firearms. Bottom line gun control don't work....

BTW in my city of over 140,000 people there were 3 murders last year. The neighboring town (which is just across the street from me) hasn't has a murder in 10 years. Crime is almost non existent and I would guess 80% of the households in my neighborhood are armed.