Were people on the ground ever killed by bullet casings?

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It would only add if it was shot from an angle and therefore had a horizontal component to the velocity, it would change the acceleration so it wouldn't be 9.8
 
It would only add if it was shot from an angle and therefore had a horizontal component to the velocity, it would change the acceleration so it wouldn't be 9.8

Nope, the acceleration would always be 9.8 m/s^2. The speed with which it was travelling when ejected adds nothing to the end-speed. Also the angle doesn't matter as it will always slow down or speed up to end-speed. You can see V(0) is not included in the formula I provided.
 
Fire a rifle horizontally, and if the cartridge is ejected out the side with whatever velocity the cartridge case hits the ground the same time as the bullet does.

If the cartridge did have a downward velocity all that would mean is that it would alter the time for it to reach terminal velocity but the terminal velocity would end up the same.
 

I find this absolutely incredible I would really love to see some photos! Any other vivid descriptions you would like to share? I would love to take a walk back in time like that!
 
Newton-Metres is the metric equivelent of Foot-Pounds.
This is why any work expressed in Foot-Pounds, when converted to a metric reading, is expressed as Newton-Metres.


Elvis
 
I think a shell casing would enter a flat spin - reducing it's velocity even further?

I think the 'coin dropped from a skyscraper' thing was shattered on Mythbusters, IIRC?

Plus, an empty case would not be dense enouh to cause much damage?

I do wonder about the 75mm shells fired from a B-25 Mitchell though...
 
Didnt they do a similar testing on the show Myth Busters about a penny falling from the from the top of a tall skyscrapper or something?
 
"Hey, look up there, a do fight".
"oh yeah, ouch! Sh*t, I'm blind"!
who cares how fast it is going, it could still "put your eye out"! just like your mom said!
 
Mythbusters did a show with a penny from a tall building which was found to have only a stinging effect.

Certainly couldnt smash bone.

They also did one with a bullet falling to earth under gravity.

Again not enough velocity to cause serious injury.
 

Myth busters is wrong about the bullet.

A bullet coming down to earth is extremely dangerous and will kill (documented by the LAPD and LASD in the 80's and 90's). If it hits anything, its most probably the head, which doesn't take much to receive dangerous injury.
 
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Just for the hell of it - my Wife was on a gun emplacement in the '40s - 109s straffed her ( then went on to bomb a school) - She's never forgiven herself for not collecting the rounds!!

= Tim
 

You should have watched the episode, they pointed out that if the bullet is fired at ANY angle, it will arc and retain much of its initial speed, making it as deadly as a long range sniper shot. Only when a bullet is fired perfectly vertical will it spend its momentum and drop like a rock. They also pointed out that it's very uncomfortable to try to fire a rifle straight up and that most people firing into the air would actually be firing at a 50-75 degree angle, thus preserving the momentum of the bullet and putting people at serious risk of death and injury.
 
We had some gang banger idiot convicted here about a year ago for firing a gun into the air and killing a woman sitting in her living room a few blocks away.
 
always cracked me up when you saw huge crowds of people over in the middle east unloading ak47 clips into the air in celebration or protest. they wont have the same velocity coming back down as they did out of the muzzle but they will still do some damage....
 
Flyboy2 while your equation is correct it does not take into account the effects of air friction which is VERY significant. air friction is a very difficult thing to deal with since it depends on so very many factors, temperature, air density, humidity, wind, etc. PLUS the cross-sectional area of the object and depends on the cube of the velocity. ENIAC was designed to compute artillery shell ranges. thus it is always approximated and determined by real world testing. any lateral velocity would quickly be eaten up by friction with the casing falling straight down. for a laterally fired bullet air friction reduces the range by around 90%. artillery shells are fired above 45 degrees to reach their maximum range. the increased angle gets them quickly into the upper atmosphere where density is less.
so unless it "hits you in the eye kid" there is not enough KE to kill anyone
 
Elvis, both torque and work are Force times distance. in torque the force is applied tangentially and movement is circular thus the unit is distance - force or meter - newton or foot - pound. in work the displacement of the object must be in the direction of the force thus the work unit is force - distance or newton - meter which is a joule or pound - feet.
 

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