Who was the Better Boxer, Joe Frazier or Muhammad Ali

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Who was the Better Boxer, Joe Frazier or Muhammad Ali?

  1. Joe Frazier

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  2. Muhammad Ali

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  3. They were evenly matched

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  4. There are better Boxers than both of them

    11.8%
  1. Soundbreaker Welch?

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    They had three bouts together.

    Ali won two of them, but he never knocked down Frazier to win them. Fraizer won one of them, but he knocked Ali to the ground.


    So vote, and decide "THE CHAMPION"
     
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    Clay without a doubt...
     
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    Clay...

    Frasier was a raging bull, more of a brawler...
     
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    Ali/Clay ... the "Rope a Dope" fight was pure genius. Never saw a fight so orchistrated. lovely to watch.
     
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    Damn...think I confused my fights! ahhh its still Clay.:confused:
     
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    You all call him Clay.

    He pounded people for calling him that.

    I wasn't alive back then, but was that what people used to call him instead of Ali, his adopted name?
     
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    Yes... I was never into the whole Ali thing, as he used his conversion to escape the draft, a chickensh!t thing to do....
     
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    Clay was a better boxer than Frazier but there were better boxers than Clay in the history of boxing. For instance Ray Robinson, probably Joe Louis, Gene Tunney.
     
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    That argument in and of itself is a tough one....

    The best way to compare boxers is to take them at their peak... Mike Tyson at his peak would have destroyed anyone who entered that ring...

    Then he woulda eaten them...
     
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    Fir me 'Big Mouth' was the best
     
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    The best way to compare boxers is to take them at their peak... Mike Tyson at his peak would have destroyed anyone who entered that ring...

    Even Joe Lois, rated Best Puncher out of a 100?
     
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    Joe Louis never fought someone as ferocious and full of angst as Tyson in his Prime... He wouldnt know how to fight him...
     
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    Agree...

    The only fighter who was close to Tyson from that era (40s-50s) was Jake LaMotta, but he wasn't a heavyweight. LaMotta also did a "rope a dope" then came out and mauled his opponents...
     
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    i say frazier...even though hes my favourite boxer aside from mike tyson so that could be a bit biased
     
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    Out of these Ali in my opinion.

    But Ali has nothing on the Klitschko brothers!
     
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    Have the two ever brothers ever boxed each other in a match, aside from training?
     
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    I think that the original question of who was the better boxer was interpreted by me to mean who was the best boxer( scientifically) not who was the best fighter. Of course when you are talking about fighters in different eras you bring in the difference in size and strength. Fighters today are usually bigger and stronger than those who fought in 1927 say. Dempsey fought at about 189 and Tunney was just over 190. Dempsey was a better fighter in the mold of Tyson, Tunney was the better boxer in the mold of Clay. Tunney won.(both times)
     
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    Dempsey was getting past his prime, wasn't he?
     
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    I dont think so. The older one is retired anyhow. I hope he comes back. I saw the younger won fight the other day and it was crazy. I got up to get a drink in the second round and by the time I came back it was over.
     
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    No, as a mater of fact they were both about the same age.
     
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