WWII and school

[Medvedya]

HMCS Skim: Breakfast menu.

Scrambled Akula on muffins followed by fresh Typhoon.

Hmmm, would it be that it was so easy! The word 'lethal' and those two names tend to go hand in hand. Having said that, you and your pals did take out a Los Angeles.....

....who knows? Good thing nobody ever got to find out.

 

[Nonskimmer]

Those were games. We can only hope that the real deal would go as well in our favour.

(Against enemies, not allies of course. )

 

[lesofprimus]

One of the hardest things for a junior sonarman onboard a Los Angeles Class Sub to do is isolate a Diesel Sub on batteries running at 1.5 knots.... Damn near invisible, or silent in this instance...

Still impressive, and Im not often impressed...

NS, u guys got that rubber coating on ur hull??

 

[Nonskimmer]

Yep. It's a pretty standard thing on modern submarines. Despite what the Canadian press has made out, these subs aren't really that old. The initial problems stemmed from the fact that they sat unmaintained for about five years before we came along and bought 'em. Try that with a car and see what happens. Of course it won't run.

It took a bit to get them operating again, but they're alright. We've modified them slightly too. They're not bad boats really.

Seeing as how we couldn't have new ones and all.

 

[lesofprimus]

A mute whale makes more noise in the water than u do.....

 

[plan_D]

All that discussion earlier about the EMP against America, it just wouldn't work as mentioned Americans shield their equipment. Also, it wouldn't work against Britain either during the Cold War because the Lightning was even more basic than Russian equipment (valves, locking wire, steam-electrics).

Which incident were you talking about in Brest-Litovsk, Med? The German capture, the German-Soviet handshake, or the Soviet capture?

 

[Medvedya]

The German capture in 41.

 

[plan_D]

I thought you were stupid for a second there, then I remembered the Germans gave the fortress to the Soviet Union after they had captured it in 1939 because the river Vistula was the boundary.

Guderian was extremely annoyed about that. It was a tough fight taking that place in 1939.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well I can honestly say that believe it or not when I attended a US HighSchool the history books pretty much covered that WW2 was this: Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and then the US kicked Japans but. That was WW2. When I attended German Schools the History books tended to leave a lot of the Pacific out and they did not go into to much the details of what happened by why it happened and actually believe it or not quite a bit about the Holocaust but not a lot of specifics on battles or who faught who and dates.

 

[Pisis]

One of the greataest discussions here for some time!

Everything discussed here streams from the WWII (at least for me/Czech Rep./East Block).

Actually, the WWII started in a conflict of Hitlers Germany and Czechoslovakia - over 3 Millions of Germans lived there and Hitler claimed a huge territory, which is created by a serial of mountains all over the German borders and makes a natural defence line. It's called the Sudets or Sudetenland.
Czechoslovaks were prepared to fight. Western politics (Chamberlain, Dalladier...) had shit in trousers and in March 1938 met Hitler and Mussolini in Munich, where they signed an agreement (without a single member of the Czech government!) later called "The München Clerk". It guaranteed the Sudetenland for Germany and Czechoslovakia, by the way at that time the only democratic country in the whole area (so called "The Isle of Freedom" in the late 30's), lost it's chance to fight.
The bigheaded Germans walked into the country without a single shot, capturing all the high-tec military equipements - Czech army was one of the most modern in that time - (also the Avia B.534 Bi-Plane fighters) and then we all know what happened on 1st Sep 1939.

In second fact, the WWII (at least the European part) ended in the CS as well! The Berlin was liberated on 1st May 1945, Prague was on 8th May. I write this for reason, Marconi mentioned Stalin's dictator mind. The American units, lead by General Patton, stepped into Czechoslovakia beginning on May 45, on 5th of the same Month they liberated Pilsen, but then they had to sit on the so called "demarkation line" and wait until the Russians liberate the capital town - Prague. Somewhere I read that Patton didn't want to wait and was on his way to Prague but then another order came and he finally stopped. If he wouldn't do so, who knows how the world would look like now...

So because the capital was liberated by RA, the Czechoslovakia felt into the influence of USSR. In 1948 there was a Communist putsch, the force was taken by the Reds...
-Economy: fucked up
-Vets: almost all of them imprisoned, some executed
-Army: all had to be Russian... (BTW, there were around 20 pieces of Mosquitoes and as a "western product", they were scrapped!!!)

In 1968, when the political atmosphere was getting more and more loosen, western products were flooding the country, the life standard was better and better, the Russian came. That's the reason why we hate them. Not a man, but the nation.

So this lasted for another 20 years and affected all. Also the WWII education. When I was on the elementary, most far we get to maybe French revolution or so. On the high school, most far we went to maybe 1st Sep 1939 or so. But most of the teachers are old Commies (the funniest are those 80+ grannies who taught Russian for tens of years and now they teach English but most of the pupils have higher skills... ) and they teach following the socialist type of education - this is memorazing facts and datas. On the opposite I know that the Western type is more based on working with datas, sticking them together, discussing, etc...)

But I think everyone who is interested in WWII must be intrested in other things that happen now, or better - the WWII is a basement of todays world curcumstances. Most of the people interested in WWII (history) were clever and vice versa.

Stereotypes here:
Germans - fat, ugly, with moustaches, drink beer
Poles - very proud (almost boasty), agressive, religious
Ukrainians - vodka drinkers, fighters (since most of them work here manually)
Russians - 100% most hated nation here, vodka drinkers, idiots, communists
Yankees - fat hamburgereaters, dummy idiots, they want the oil in Iraq (the latest stereotype)
Canadiens - they play rough hockey
Britons - footbal fighters, drinkers (it's very cheap to come to drink to Prague for a weekend and thousands of guys from the UK cross the streets in night and shout and are doing troubles)

That's my 2 cents.

 

[Nonskimmer]

Hey, yeah! We play rough hockey, but we're not fat and ugly with moustaches!
Some of us do like a drink now and then.

 

[Pisis]

And Czechs play the best hockey!

 

[Nonskimmer]

They do play damn good hockey. I won't argue with that.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Yankees - fat hamburgereaters, dummy idiots, they want the oil in Iraq (the latest stereotype)

You forgot Hotdogs!

They do play damn good hockey. I won't argue with that.

The Swiss and Swedes are a bunch of hacks!

 

[lesofprimus]

Euro Hockey Sucks Ass!!!

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Euro Hockey Sucks Ass!!!

 

[Nonskimmer]

Again, I won't argue with that. I was thinking of Czechs in the NHL.

 

[marconi]

Ukrainians - vodka drinkers, fighters (since most of them work here manually)

I don't like vodka.
Why fighters?

 

[Medvedya]

Britons - football fighters, drinkers (it's very cheap to come to drink to Prague for a weekend and thousands of guys from the UK cross the streets in night and shout and are doing troubles)

I wish this was just a stereotype - but I saw some of those drunk morons when I was in Prague - a bloody embarrassment.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Britons - football fighters, drinkers (it's very cheap to come to drink to Prague for a weekend and thousands of guys from the UK cross the streets in night and shout and are doing troubles)

I wish this was just a stereotype - but I saw some of those drunk morons when I was in Prague - a bloody embarrassment.

It goes to show you each country has them.....

When I lived in Canada, we used to get kids from Buffalo cross the border into Fort Erie Ontario to drink as the legal age was 19. Most were well behaved, some were just Idiots. Some of my Canadian friends who were bouncers at a local hot spot taught some of these kids there is a time to talk and a time NOT to talk!!!!