blue swede
Airman
- 28
- Nov 23, 2005
I'll take the same armanment the B25-H had. 8)
Your armament?
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Yeah that would pack a punch.
The Jug Rules!
Airman 1st Class
How about a P-47-n with four(or six if possible) short barreled Hispanos...You could at least hold about 175 rpg.
My other one would be a tail wheel P-39 with two extra .50's mounted below the nose. I would lenghthen the nose enough to stagger the top 2 .50's in order to carry about 500 rpg. Replace the 37mm with a 20mm Hispano. Carry the stock, pod mounted .50's on the wing.
And how about an 8 cannon version of the b25? Four in the nose, four in a pod under the bombay, plus the stock mgs on the side of the nose.
Twin 50's in the waist, and a 20mm in the tail.
My other one would be a tail wheel P-39 with two extra .50's mounted below the nose. I would lenghthen the nose enough to stagger the top 2 .50's in order to carry about 500 rpg. Replace the 37mm with a 20mm Hispano. Carry the stock, pod mounted .50's on the wing.
And how about an 8 cannon version of the b25? Four in the nose, four in a pod under the bombay, plus the stock mgs on the side of the nose.
Twin 50's in the waist, and a 20mm in the tail.
blue swede
Airman
- 28
- Nov 23, 2005
Question.
Generally, was there a performance cost (i.e. rate of fire) for firing through the propeller arc? 8)
Generally, was there a performance cost (i.e. rate of fire) for firing through the propeller arc? 8)
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
I would put 8 HE 50.cal on the wings of my P-51 and four Hispano cannons around the nose.
carpenoctem1689
Airman 1st Class
- 285
- Sep 10, 2005
Dont you think that would degrade the performance of the P-51. I mean the Mustang was a good fighter, but already had trouble with the center if gravity, with the whole fuel tank in the center of it, and mounting four 20mm hispanos in the nose, in addition to eight 12.7mm's?! thats a hell of alot of fire power, but i dont think your aircraft would contend as it would with six 12.7mm or four 20mm.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Yea and Im sure it would climb to 35k just fine... What a fat heavy bitch that would be...
Agreed I think the 51's armament was about where it needed to be.
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
Me I just like to go overboard, how bout 4 50cals on the wing but keep the cannons.
Glider
Captain
A slightly more practical suggestion. The first P51's had 4 x 20, why not put them back.
Would 4 20mm Cannons even fit in the nose.
I doubt it somehow. If they did, there wouldn't be much room for ammo if any.DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
That is what I was thinking.
MacArther
Staff Sergeant
two 50 cals and a hub firing .30 cal minigun
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
that's pretty weak, even with a high ROF the .30 cal wasn't hugely effective........
MacArther
Staff Sergeant
Ok, two cowling firing miniguns. And, a pair of 50 cals in the wings ( one per wing), and a hub firing 20mm cannon
delcyros
Tech Sergeant
The synchronization of the 20mm MG 151 reduced it´s rof from 780 - 800 to 550-750 rpm.
I think that the 0.50 cal guns of the P-51/47 were exaclty what was needed by them. They hadn´t to deal with heavys but with small and quite agile targets.
I think that the 0.50 cal guns of the P-51/47 were exaclty what was needed by them. They hadn´t to deal with heavys but with small and quite agile targets.
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
German Heavies:
Mauser Mg-213C-20 caliber: 20x135, rate of fire 1200 rpm. V0=830 m/s.
Reinhmetall-Borsig MK-108, caliber 30x91 RB, rate of fire 620-660 rpm. V0= 505 m/s.
Rheinmetall Borsig MK-103, Caliber 30x184B, rate of fire 400-420 rpm, V0= 710 m/s ( APHE steel core), 900 m/s ( Mine), 960 m/s ( Panzergranate 40)
Mauser MK-214, caliber 50x420R, rate of fire 150-160 rpm, V0= 560 m/s (HE), 825 m/s ( APHE-T).
Reinhmetall-Borsig MK-112, caliber 55x175RB, rate of fire 350 rpm, V0= 560 m/s.
Mauser Mg-213C-20 caliber: 20x135, rate of fire 1200 rpm. V0=830 m/s.
Reinhmetall-Borsig MK-108, caliber 30x91 RB, rate of fire 620-660 rpm. V0= 505 m/s.
Rheinmetall Borsig MK-103, Caliber 30x184B, rate of fire 400-420 rpm, V0= 710 m/s ( APHE steel core), 900 m/s ( Mine), 960 m/s ( Panzergranate 40)
Mauser MK-214, caliber 50x420R, rate of fire 150-160 rpm, V0= 560 m/s (HE), 825 m/s ( APHE-T).
Reinhmetall-Borsig MK-112, caliber 55x175RB, rate of fire 350 rpm, V0= 560 m/s.
Jabberwocky
Staff Sergeant
You can't fit a multi-barrel gun in between the cylinder banks of a Merlin or Allison V-1710 without changing a serious amount of ducting on the engine. It is theoretically possible to do with the Allison, but you would have to reduce the size of the valve gears and relocate the induction housing somewhere else. The end result would be a significant increase in frontal area and a completely altered engine footprint, for little benefit. A 20mm Hispano type cannon is going to be more effective than a .303 Gatling style gun anyway.
For me the best armament fit for a radial engined fighter was the Fw-190A6 onwards, with 4 MG 151/20s (20 mm) in the wings and 2 MG 131s (13.2mm) in the cowl. This was enough to take down any target in WW2 aviation. The only fighter that I feel equaled this was the Tempest V Serise II, with 4 Mk V Hispano's (short barrel, increased RoF) and 175-200 rpg. La-7 with 3 nose mounted B-20s comes close as well.
For inlines give me the MC-205 with 3 MG 151/20 cannons (one in the nose, two in the wings) and 2 12.7 mm Brenda SCOTTI HMGs in the upper cowl. Close second is the Spitfire IXe with 2 Hispanos and 2 M2 Brownings.
For me the best armament fit for a radial engined fighter was the Fw-190A6 onwards, with 4 MG 151/20s (20 mm) in the wings and 2 MG 131s (13.2mm) in the cowl. This was enough to take down any target in WW2 aviation. The only fighter that I feel equaled this was the Tempest V Serise II, with 4 Mk V Hispano's (short barrel, increased RoF) and 175-200 rpg. La-7 with 3 nose mounted B-20s comes close as well.
For inlines give me the MC-205 with 3 MG 151/20 cannons (one in the nose, two in the wings) and 2 12.7 mm Brenda SCOTTI HMGs in the upper cowl. Close second is the Spitfire IXe with 2 Hispanos and 2 M2 Brownings.
