Aircraft Identification Thread I

[cheddar cheese]

 

[Karaya_1]

What about this one ? I think it's very easy.....

 

[kiwimac]

Great one Karaya_1!

That's the proposed upgrade / wind-tunnel model to the Ju 87. Junkers 187 / 287. The most interesting proposed feature was the tail unit which was to be reversible in flight so that the Rear Gunner had a better field of fire.

Please note the following, all from www.luft46.com site.

The second image is copyright to Gino Marcomini.

The project was cancelled because the performace was only slightly improved and the FW-190 fighter-bomber was found to be just as good as a specialised dive-bomber (plus it could dogfight with the interceptors once the bomb was gone.)

Kiwimac

 

[Medvedya]

Creeping towards the Sturmovik design isn' it?

 

[cheddar cheese]

Bloody kiwimac, I knew that...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

man that thing looks good....................

 

[cheddar cheese]

Its hideous actually...

Another example of your bad tastes there.

 

[Karaya_1]

Yes, but everyone who knows a little bit about aerodynamics will tell you that it's a fake.....or better only a stupid idea.....there's only this wind tunnel model and it just can't work....think of what happens to the stability during the rotation of the tail unit....and one important thing : you need inverse rudder function when the tail is down...thats hard with fly-by-wire but impossible with control cables - so : nice idea, but impossible !

 

[cheddar cheese]

Did they not build any prototypes then?

 

[kiwimac]

Well it could work if they had two separate series of control wires. BUT, AIUI, they had actually decided to produce it in the "tail down" position with no ability to move it.

Kiwimac

 

[Cheap Labour]

Seems to me that a moving tail like that would be a liability for damage. Imagine having to land your plane on its rudder.

 

[Karaya_1]

There was no prototype, they only build the wind tunnel model and a fuselage mock-up for the Ju 287....(that number was later used for the Jet bomber...)

 

[BlackWolf3945]

Somehow I knew they'd get the answer when I was away...

Good one! Now can anyone tell me if there are any decent pictures of the E.51 on the net? Also, has anyone come across any printed references on this thing? (Besides the article that those line drawings came from)


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[Karaya_1]

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/praga.html

http://www.leteckefilmy.cz/2004/index.asp?menu=47&film=66&submenu=〈=EN&page=filmDet.asp

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/e51.html

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i'll admit there're a few difficulties that may have to be overcome

 

[cheddar cheese]

What?

 

[BlackWolf3945]

Thanks Karaya, I've seen all those already. I was hoping maybe someone here had come across something that I hadn't, but I'm beginning to doubt it. 'Tis a pretty obscure subject though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Thanks anyway...




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[cheddar cheese]

On FS2004, the Ju-187's tail switches round when the landing gear is retracted. Im not sure if that was how it was intended, but it might explain how it would have worked.

You gonna post us another pic to guess then Kiwi?

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

wow you get it on FS2004

 

[cheddar cheese]

Yup, you have to download it though.