cheddar cheese
Major General
I wouldnt mind flying a TigerMoth. Or a Harvard.
Best Aircraft in many different roles
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evangilder
"Shooter"
It is one of the Commemorative Air Force (CAF) chapters, in Camarillo, CA. If you want to check out our website, it's at:
http://www.orgsites.com/ca/caf-socal/
We currently have about a dozen aircraft, 7 are flyable and a few are in restoration. It's a nice crew.
The P-38 cockpit was fairly roomy for a warbird, but I have to admit the seat is quite uncomfortable. The Zero was very cramped and if I were to fly it, which I probably never will, I would have to slouch down to keep my head from being directly against the canopy!
http://www.orgsites.com/ca/caf-socal/
We currently have about a dozen aircraft, 7 are flyable and a few are in restoration. It's a nice crew.
The P-38 cockpit was fairly roomy for a warbird, but I have to admit the seat is quite uncomfortable. The Zero was very cramped and if I were to fly it, which I probably never will, I would have to slouch down to keep my head from being directly against the canopy!
Atleast you have the opurtunity to fly them that is awesome.
cheddar cheese
Major General
Nice site. Id love to go to a Warbird Museum. I think Next time I go to see my amily in Milton Keynes ill pop along to Duxford. 8)
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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wow one day and it's moved on 3 pages, and there was no way the P-38 could do allot of things the mossie could.................
From what I read so far it could. I would not have believed it either yesterday.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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could the P-38 carry:-
a turret? no
British and American radar? I've yet to see something that suggests it could
H2S bombing radar? No
two highball? no
a cookie? no
A searchlight? possibly, but i bet it never did...............
and don't give me all that crap about roles, most of those involve no change to the aircraft, and you think that just because there were more marks of the mossie than P-38s the P-38 was more versatile because you could do more with one aircraft?? shit. pretty much all mossies were the same, as soon as we did something different with a mossie we gave it a new designation, that's the way we did it, most of the conversions were from a Mk.VI anyway, and surely if you count all sub-varients there's just as many P-38s..............
a turret? no
British and American radar? I've yet to see something that suggests it could
H2S bombing radar? No
two highball? no
a cookie? no
A searchlight? possibly, but i bet it never did...............
and don't give me all that crap about roles, most of those involve no change to the aircraft, and you think that just because there were more marks of the mossie than P-38s the P-38 was more versatile because you could do more with one aircraft?? shit. pretty much all mossies were the same, as soon as we did something different with a mossie we gave it a new designation, that's the way we did it, most of the conversions were from a Mk.VI anyway, and surely if you count all sub-varients there's just as many P-38s..............
The P-38 could carry radar. How do you think it was used as a night fighter. The P-38 could carry torpedos and was used to sink ships, the P-38 could carry bombs. Tell me what a turret has to do with anything. I dont see how a turret keeps a P-38 from doing anything that a mossie can do. Dont take me wrong I think the mossie was a great aircraft but I still am starting to believe that the P-38 could do more and better. I certainly could outfly a mossie. Please dont take me wrong again I still think the Ju-88 was the most versetail aircraft, not the best but could be adapted the most, however I am starting to believe that the P-38 could do everything the mossie could do and better.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
yes i know the P-38 could carry radar, but that's very different to the same aircraft being able to carry both american and british radars................
alol the above points i mention because the mossie could do all of those, she was fitted with a turret, H2S, Highball, cookies, searchlight and different radar.....................
alol the above points i mention because the mossie could do all of those, she was fitted with a turret, H2S, Highball, cookies, searchlight and different radar.....................
But how does that change the fact that the Lightning could not do the same things. You just keep repeating that the mossie could have a turret and carry radar. What does a turret have to do with it and radar is radar in this sense. Who cares if it was British or American, it was a radar.
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i keep saying it because it proves how versatile the mossie was............
It does not prove anything. All it proves is that you can put a mod to it. It is like adding a chin turret to the B-17. It ist just another piece of armament and a mod to it. And the radar how does that make it more versatile, a radar is a radar in this sense. Please tell me how it make it able to do more than a P-38. That turret would do nothing for it with a P-38 flying circles around it. And the turret does not change what the mossie can do.
cheddar cheese
Major General
The point being made about the roles is that any P-38 could carry out any role with very little or no adaptation. The Mossie required a Bomber Varient, Fighter Bomber version and a Night Fighter version; whereas all P-38 models were fighters that just happened to be able to do pretty much anything.
It could carry a bombing radar, but thats my fault you dont know this because Ive only mentioned the Droop Snoot P-38 a few hundred times...
The P-38 would have ben able to carry a cookie, albeit with an adapted bomb rack. But in theory, it can. Anyway, why would it need to carry a cookie? Thats a British bomb, used by the RAF. The Americans used American bombs used by the USAAF.
Heres another point, the Mossie was a much newer plane than the P-38, what technology did it introduce? What did it pioneer? What did it do thats still seen today in modern planes?
It could carry a bombing radar, but thats my fault you dont know this because Ive only mentioned the Droop Snoot P-38 a few hundred times...
The P-38 would have ben able to carry a cookie, albeit with an adapted bomb rack. But in theory, it can. Anyway, why would it need to carry a cookie? Thats a British bomb, used by the RAF. The Americans used American bombs used by the USAAF.
Heres another point, the Mossie was a much newer plane than the P-38, what technology did it introduce? What did it pioneer? What did it do thats still seen today in modern planes?
evangilder
"Shooter"
I will say this, the Mossie was an incredible airplane for one being made of wood. Okay, I guess I found something the P-38 didn't have,...a wooden airframe.
Gemhorse
Senior Airman
SSSSS, soon as I go off and do something, they're back bagging the Mosquito !!....Lanc was merely pointing-out they tried it with a turret, which is something they DIDN'T do with a P-38.....Anybody would think you could go wing-walking on a Lightning while it did barrel-rolls.....
Yeah, it was a great fighter.....but The Mosquito was a LEGEND. [full-stop.]
It did carry a torpedo [18 in] plus 2x 50 gal drop tanks, but it seemed pointless when you've rockets....I don't recall any P-38's working off Aircraft Carriers, like the Sea Mossie [with folding-wings....]
Remember, they tossed the P-38 at War's end....period
It's service was replaced by Merlin-engined P-51's in the PTO, towards the War's end....it was P-51's that escorted the B-29's over Japan....
The P-38's NF duties were late in the War, [boy, it surely didn't enhance it's looks, that big knob sticking-out...] and that was only because the P-61 was too slow...
Of the 7,781 Mosquitos built, they sure spread them around, they were in Russia at one stage, somewhere a P-38 didn't go....
First operational in Sept. 1941, last RAF operation in Malaya 1955....
ALL those variants, off three basic models......
RAF 23 Sqn. took part in the defence of Malta and in operations over Italy
They were the first twin-engined Allied aircraft to bomb Berlin, which did more to piss-off the Germans than a whole Group of P-38's.....
They were also a diplomatic passenger mail carrier doing the Leuchars-Stockholm run, bringing-back much needed ball-bearings [as already mentioned], but they did it in daylight, UN-armed....Naturally the Germans were incensed at that and set Fw-190's onto them, so they went at night after that.....Pretty extraordinary courage in such hazardous conditions....
- But the Bomber PR variants did that every day night.....Afterall, that's how the 8th AF [and Bomber Command] got it's pre-raid weather-forecasts, and after-raid photos,[along with the PR Spits reports.....] - The US had over 40 F-8's......In fact, they probably flew much higher than any P-38's, John De Havilland first flew it to 43,500 ft in late 1942, but successive variants went higher....
They set Atlantic-crossing records during the War and after, in late 1943 they went to the Far East and during 1944 made an aerial survey of the whole of Burma and photographed all the enemy seaports in Malaya and the Dutch East Indies....
- Postwar, they won Air races in the US [ex-US F8 Mossies], Survey work for oil in Tripoli, performed high-altitude photographic missions in Canada, USA, [GOT THAT !!!!], Mexico, Columbia, Brit. Guiana, the Dominican Republic and Kenya...and an Aussie variant was used to Aerial Survey the whole of Australia, completing that during 1953....
They still have the prototype model, at Salisbury Hall.....did they disc the original P-38 too ???
Not to mention the postwar service Mosquitos performed for 11 different country's, beyond RAF's last op in 1955....
COME ON GUYS, they are THE ''LEGEND''..... a l'il old idea in the early stages of a formidable World War, to use non-essential war craftsmen and materials to make a wooden aeroplane, that spawned a bloody LEGEND...
...and then they built a single-seat version that was virtually the fastest piston-engined aircraft in the World, at the time, and that went on to do good service too, in another l'il War...... they called that the Hornet, but I notice the USA have stuck that name to one of theirs now......you may want to call the next 'hot-rod' fighter you build ... the MOSQUITO !!!!
Yeah, it was a great fighter.....but The Mosquito was a LEGEND. [full-stop.]
It did carry a torpedo [18 in] plus 2x 50 gal drop tanks, but it seemed pointless when you've rockets....I don't recall any P-38's working off Aircraft Carriers, like the Sea Mossie [with folding-wings....]
Remember, they tossed the P-38 at War's end....period
It's service was replaced by Merlin-engined P-51's in the PTO, towards the War's end....it was P-51's that escorted the B-29's over Japan....
The P-38's NF duties were late in the War, [boy, it surely didn't enhance it's looks, that big knob sticking-out...] and that was only because the P-61 was too slow...
Of the 7,781 Mosquitos built, they sure spread them around, they were in Russia at one stage, somewhere a P-38 didn't go....
First operational in Sept. 1941, last RAF operation in Malaya 1955....
ALL those variants, off three basic models......
RAF 23 Sqn. took part in the defence of Malta and in operations over Italy
They were the first twin-engined Allied aircraft to bomb Berlin, which did more to piss-off the Germans than a whole Group of P-38's.....
They were also a diplomatic passenger mail carrier doing the Leuchars-Stockholm run, bringing-back much needed ball-bearings [as already mentioned], but they did it in daylight, UN-armed....Naturally the Germans were incensed at that and set Fw-190's onto them, so they went at night after that.....Pretty extraordinary courage in such hazardous conditions....
- But the Bomber PR variants did that every day night.....Afterall, that's how the 8th AF [and Bomber Command] got it's pre-raid weather-forecasts, and after-raid photos,[along with the PR Spits reports.....] - The US had over 40 F-8's......In fact, they probably flew much higher than any P-38's, John De Havilland first flew it to 43,500 ft in late 1942, but successive variants went higher....
They set Atlantic-crossing records during the War and after, in late 1943 they went to the Far East and during 1944 made an aerial survey of the whole of Burma and photographed all the enemy seaports in Malaya and the Dutch East Indies....
- Postwar, they won Air races in the US [ex-US F8 Mossies], Survey work for oil in Tripoli, performed high-altitude photographic missions in Canada, USA, [GOT THAT !!!!], Mexico, Columbia, Brit. Guiana, the Dominican Republic and Kenya...and an Aussie variant was used to Aerial Survey the whole of Australia, completing that during 1953....
They still have the prototype model, at Salisbury Hall.....did they disc the original P-38 too ???
Not to mention the postwar service Mosquitos performed for 11 different country's, beyond RAF's last op in 1955....
COME ON GUYS, they are THE ''LEGEND''..... a l'il old idea in the early stages of a formidable World War, to use non-essential war craftsmen and materials to make a wooden aeroplane, that spawned a bloody LEGEND...
...and then they built a single-seat version that was virtually the fastest piston-engined aircraft in the World, at the time, and that went on to do good service too, in another l'il War...... they called that the Hornet, but I notice the USA have stuck that name to one of theirs now......you may want to call the next 'hot-rod' fighter you build ... the MOSQUITO !!!!
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Major General
No, the XP-38 crashed...
Gemhorse
Senior Airman
cheddar cheese
Major General
Not really, they could have given the project up but no, they persisted. And im bloody glad they did 8)
evangilder
"Shooter"
Actually, it did not crash because of any design problems. It crashed because the carburetors iced up on final approach to Mitchell field. That could happen to ANY aircraft.
Gemhorse
Senior Airman
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