FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
i think if the c-47 was armed like this it would be the best but just plain or just the paratrooper type it is ok
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Best World War II Aircraft?
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i think if the c-47 was armed like this it would be the best but just plain or just the paratrooper type it is ok
Why? A plane does not have to be armed to the teeth to be a great plane. The C-47 performed the best as a transport.
It takes more than slinging bullets to win a war.
beaupower32
Tech Sergeant
Elvis
Chief Master Sergeant
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
A-Fricken-Men! Kinda surprised we have not had one entered into the MTO GB.
Doughboy
Staff Sergeant
Ditto.
Dark Matter
Banned
- 337
- Jun 23, 2009
I love the P-47!!8)
It realy is quite superior to the P-51, and I got facts to prove it!
This is why the P-47 is better.
1. The Republic Thunderbolt had a radial engine that could take hits and keep on running. I know of an actual case where a Jug brought a pilot back from Borneo after 8 hours in the air. The pilot landed with the master cylinder and three other cylinders blown out of commission. But the Jug kept chugging along, running well enough to bring its pilot back safely to his base at Morotai. I was there.
2. The Jug's radial engine was air cooled, instead of liquid cooled with a radiator system, like the Mustang's V-12. This is significant because one small caliber hit on an aluminum cooling line in a Mustang would let the coolant leak out, and when the coolant was gone, the engine seized, and the show was over.
I took a small caliber hit in a coolant tube over Formosa (Taiwan). When I landed back at base, my crew chief said, "Lieutenant, did you know you got hit?" I replied, "No." He continued, "You took a small caliber shell in the coolant tube on the right side of the engine. I'd give you between 10 and 15 minutes flying time remaining." I had just flown from Formosa, over nothing but the Pacific Ocean, to our fighter strip on Okinawa.
3. The P-47 could fly higher than the P-51. With its huge turbocharger, it could climb to over 40,000 feet. You could just look down at your enemy in a stall and smile.
4. The Jug could out dive the Mustang. As a matter of fact, it could out dive any enemy fighter, and at 7.5 tons loaded, it dove fast! I have personally been in a dive at what we called the "state of compressibility," at nearly 700 mph indicated air speed. I was scared to death, but with a tiny bit of throttle, I pulled it out at about 2,000-foot altitude, literally screaming through the sky.
5. The Thunderbolt had eight .50's. The Mustang had six. That's 33 1/3% more firepower. This made a major difference.
6. The later model Thunderbolt's could carry and deliver 2,500 pounds of bombs. (One 1,000-lb. bomb on each wing, and one 500 lb. bomb under the belly.) This was a maximum load and you had to use water injection to get airborne. But it would do this with sufficient runway. I have done this myself.
In addition to being a first class fighter, it was also a superb fighter-bomber and ground level strafer. Jugs practically wiped out the German and Italian railroads. I have strafed Japanese trains, troops, ships, gunboats, warships, airfields, ammo dumps, hangers, antiaircraft installations, you name it. I felt secure in my P-47.
7. The P-47 was larger and much stronger, in case of a crash landing. The Jug was built like a machined tool. Mustangs had a lot of sheet metal stamped out parts, and were more lightweight in construction. One example was the throttle arm. You can see the difference. What does all this mean? The safety of the fighter pilot.
8. The Thunderbolt had no "scoop" under the bottom. You can imagine what happens during a crash landing if your wheels would not come down (due to damage or mechanical trouble). On landing, it could make the P-51 nose over in the dirt as the scoop drags into the earth. In water (and I flew over the Pacific Ocean most of my 92 combat missions), it could cause trouble in a crash landing because the air scoop would be the first part of the aircraft to hit the water. Instead of a smooth belly landing, anything might happen.
9. The Thunderbolt had a much larger, roomier cockpit. You were comfortable in the big Jug cockpit. In my Mustang, my shoulders almost scraped the sides on the right and left. I was cramped in with all my "gear." I could not move around like I could in the P-47. I found the ability to move a little bit very desirable, especially on seven and eight hour missions.
10. The Mustang went from 1,150-horse power Allison engines to the Packard built Rolls-Royce Merlin engine that had 1,590 hp. The Thunderbolt started out with a 2,000 hp Pratt Whitney engine, and ended up with 2,800 war emergency hp with water injection. That's close to twice the power.
11. The Jug had a very wide landing gear. This made it easy to land just about anywhere, with no tendency to ground loop. Many times we had to land on rice paddies and irregular ground. When you set the Thunderbolt down, it was down. In the Far East, England, Africa, and Italy, this helped you get down and walk away from it. To me, that was very important for the safety of the pilot.
12. The Jug's record against all opposing aircraft is remarkable. The ratio of kills to losses was unmistakably a winner. Thunderbolt pilots destroyed a total of 11,874 enemy aircraft, over 9,000 trains, and 160,000 vehicles.
Heres the website:
P-47 THUNDERBOLT
It realy is quite superior to the P-51, and I got facts to prove it!
This is why the P-47 is better.
1. The Republic Thunderbolt had a radial engine that could take hits and keep on running. I know of an actual case where a Jug brought a pilot back from Borneo after 8 hours in the air. The pilot landed with the master cylinder and three other cylinders blown out of commission. But the Jug kept chugging along, running well enough to bring its pilot back safely to his base at Morotai. I was there.
2. The Jug's radial engine was air cooled, instead of liquid cooled with a radiator system, like the Mustang's V-12. This is significant because one small caliber hit on an aluminum cooling line in a Mustang would let the coolant leak out, and when the coolant was gone, the engine seized, and the show was over.
I took a small caliber hit in a coolant tube over Formosa (Taiwan). When I landed back at base, my crew chief said, "Lieutenant, did you know you got hit?" I replied, "No." He continued, "You took a small caliber shell in the coolant tube on the right side of the engine. I'd give you between 10 and 15 minutes flying time remaining." I had just flown from Formosa, over nothing but the Pacific Ocean, to our fighter strip on Okinawa.
3. The P-47 could fly higher than the P-51. With its huge turbocharger, it could climb to over 40,000 feet. You could just look down at your enemy in a stall and smile.
4. The Jug could out dive the Mustang. As a matter of fact, it could out dive any enemy fighter, and at 7.5 tons loaded, it dove fast! I have personally been in a dive at what we called the "state of compressibility," at nearly 700 mph indicated air speed. I was scared to death, but with a tiny bit of throttle, I pulled it out at about 2,000-foot altitude, literally screaming through the sky.
5. The Thunderbolt had eight .50's. The Mustang had six. That's 33 1/3% more firepower. This made a major difference.
6. The later model Thunderbolt's could carry and deliver 2,500 pounds of bombs. (One 1,000-lb. bomb on each wing, and one 500 lb. bomb under the belly.) This was a maximum load and you had to use water injection to get airborne. But it would do this with sufficient runway. I have done this myself.
In addition to being a first class fighter, it was also a superb fighter-bomber and ground level strafer. Jugs practically wiped out the German and Italian railroads. I have strafed Japanese trains, troops, ships, gunboats, warships, airfields, ammo dumps, hangers, antiaircraft installations, you name it. I felt secure in my P-47.
7. The P-47 was larger and much stronger, in case of a crash landing. The Jug was built like a machined tool. Mustangs had a lot of sheet metal stamped out parts, and were more lightweight in construction. One example was the throttle arm. You can see the difference. What does all this mean? The safety of the fighter pilot.
8. The Thunderbolt had no "scoop" under the bottom. You can imagine what happens during a crash landing if your wheels would not come down (due to damage or mechanical trouble). On landing, it could make the P-51 nose over in the dirt as the scoop drags into the earth. In water (and I flew over the Pacific Ocean most of my 92 combat missions), it could cause trouble in a crash landing because the air scoop would be the first part of the aircraft to hit the water. Instead of a smooth belly landing, anything might happen.
9. The Thunderbolt had a much larger, roomier cockpit. You were comfortable in the big Jug cockpit. In my Mustang, my shoulders almost scraped the sides on the right and left. I was cramped in with all my "gear." I could not move around like I could in the P-47. I found the ability to move a little bit very desirable, especially on seven and eight hour missions.
10. The Mustang went from 1,150-horse power Allison engines to the Packard built Rolls-Royce Merlin engine that had 1,590 hp. The Thunderbolt started out with a 2,000 hp Pratt Whitney engine, and ended up with 2,800 war emergency hp with water injection. That's close to twice the power.
11. The Jug had a very wide landing gear. This made it easy to land just about anywhere, with no tendency to ground loop. Many times we had to land on rice paddies and irregular ground. When you set the Thunderbolt down, it was down. In the Far East, England, Africa, and Italy, this helped you get down and walk away from it. To me, that was very important for the safety of the pilot.
12. The Jug's record against all opposing aircraft is remarkable. The ratio of kills to losses was unmistakably a winner. Thunderbolt pilots destroyed a total of 11,874 enemy aircraft, over 9,000 trains, and 160,000 vehicles.
Heres the website:
P-47 THUNDERBOLT
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vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
I believe the P-51D could fly over 40k feet as well.
I have to question a number of other items listed as facts.
I have to question a number of other items listed as facts.
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Dark Matter
Banned
- 337
- Jun 23, 2009
He He He...
Somebody else did that.
I could have let you guys beleive me.
Somebody else did that.
I could have let you guys beleive me.
Dark Matter
Banned
- 337
- Jun 23, 2009
Heres what I think:
Speed: P-47
Amrmament: P-47
Accelaration: P-51
Climb rate: P-47
Armor: P-47
Endurance and reliability: P-47
Advancedness: P-47
Agility: P-51
Speed: P-47
Amrmament: P-47
Accelaration: P-51
Climb rate: P-47
Armor: P-47
Endurance and reliability: P-47
Advancedness: P-47
Agility: P-51
Doughboy
Staff Sergeant
"5. The Thunderbolt had eight .50's. The Mustang had six. That's 33 1/3% more firepower. This made a major difference."
Wouldn't that be 25% more firepower?
Wouldn't that be 25% more firepower?
Dark Matter
Banned
- 337
- Jun 23, 2009
I didnt write it.
Doughboy
Staff Sergeant
Oh, okay.I didnt write it.
B-17engineer
Colonel
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
Dark Matter - answer me this:
The Reno Air Races use the best aircraft to compete in races to decide who is the fastest, best, etc. in different categories.
Over the past several decades, can you name me the types of WWII modified warbirds that have competed and won? Better yet, name me the P-47 (modified or not) that has won or competed? Bet you'll find the P-51 listed.
Like we have said before, you can dislike the P-51 and you can rally the P-47. But it is opinion, nothing more. And in a world of so many tangibles,( like pilot skill and manufacturing quality) it can be difficult to say whats best and whats not.
And don't play games with quotes like that, please. It can start a whole world of trouble. Don't do it again.
The Reno Air Races use the best aircraft to compete in races to decide who is the fastest, best, etc. in different categories.
Over the past several decades, can you name me the types of WWII modified warbirds that have competed and won? Better yet, name me the P-47 (modified or not) that has won or competed? Bet you'll find the P-51 listed.
Like we have said before, you can dislike the P-51 and you can rally the P-47. But it is opinion, nothing more. And in a world of so many tangibles,( like pilot skill and manufacturing quality) it can be difficult to say whats best and whats not.
And don't play games with quotes like that, please. It can start a whole world of trouble. Don't do it again.
Dark Matter
Banned
- 337
- Jun 23, 2009
F8F, P-51 and temptest and fury.
The P-47 would be too expensive to just give for racing.(in my opinion)
The P-47 would be too expensive to just give for racing.(in my opinion)
Doughboy
Staff Sergeant
I thought the P-51 has a max speed of 453 MPH and the P-47 has a max speed of 400 MPh? Maybe I'm wrong?
B-17engineer
Colonel
You say everything you can to deny the fact it wouldn't win!
