swampyankee
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
Italy report, 5 pm CEST 30th April
cases 205,463, +1,872, deaths 27,967, +285, recovered 75,945, +4,693, active cases 101,551, -3,106, tests 1,979,217, +68,456
fatality rate 13.6%
mortality rate 464 per million
test rate 32.8 per thousand
positive rate 10.4%
test rate today 1,135 per million
positive rate today 2.7%
cases 205,463, +1,872, deaths 27,967, +285, recovered 75,945, +4,693, active cases 101,551, -3,106, tests 1,979,217, +68,456
fatality rate 13.6%
mortality rate 464 per million
test rate 32.8 per thousand
positive rate 10.4%
test rate today 1,135 per million
positive rate today 2.7%
How is it that the richest nation on earth can be getting this so wrong?
Is it? I think your looking at the wrong number. Earlier threads explained why the US would have higher total cases and deaths. You should go back and read them. The number that is more comparative is deaths per million because that actually adjusts for population differences between nations. Here is a list of those:
Confirmed deaths(absolute) Population (in millions) Deaths per million
Belgium 7,501 11.42 656.71
Spain 24,275 46.72 519.54
Italy 27,682 60.43 458.07
United Kingdom 26,097 66.49 392.5
France 24,121 66.99 360.08
Netherlands 4,711 17.23 273.4
Ireland 1,190 4.85 245.18
Sweden 2,462 10.18 241.77
Switzerland 1,716 8.52 201.49
United States 60,908 327.17 186.17
Sorry the chart did not translate. Numbers are from Statista.
Is it? I think your looking at the wrong number. Earlier threads explained why the US would have higher total cases and deaths. You should go back and read them. The number that is more comparative is deaths per million because that actually adjusts for population differences between nations. Here is a list of those:
Confirmed deaths(absolute) Population (in millions) Deaths per million
Belgium 7,501 11.42 656.71
Spain 24,275 46.72 519.54
Italy 27,682 60.43 458.07
United Kingdom 26,097 66.49 392.5
France 24,121 66.99 360.08
Netherlands 4,711 17.23 273.4
Ireland 1,190 4.85 245.18
Sweden 2,462 10.18 241.77
Switzerland 1,716 8.52 201.49
United States 60,908 327.17 186.17
Sorry the chart did not translate. Numbers are from Statista.
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Death rates are only a part of the story though. One has to look at the entire picture. Sorry but everything from our response time, to the organization of our response, to the way we are handling it has been a joke. I know, I know, certain ideological followers continue to deny this, but facts are facts. Incompetence has reared its ugly head here.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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I don't know who you may be directing the snark towards, but it's an opinion that needs to be dealt with.
Expertise and knowledge are earned attributes. It would seem that you're suggesting that somebody like Jenny McCarthy should be given equal weight concerning what the facts are about vaccines as, say, Dr Birx and the opinion of a random political pundit on, say, atmospheric physics and radiative heat transfer, should be given as much weight as someone who has earned a PhD in the subject.
Something like a PhD or an MD isn't handed out in a candy store; they're earned after years of rigorous and highly examined work that has to meet criteria settled upon by decades of effort by thousands of people.
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I did not say that did I? It's rather obvious we do not agree on this. Better to agree to disagree. No need to insult, and make things personal. Hmmm...
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swampyankee
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A local neurologist, who has recently retired (I went to him for migraines; my wife after a stroke) has said that nothing he's heard of in several decades of practicing medicine cured so many things as marijuana derivatives.
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I did not address that statement to you and I edited that post because it would have been non-productive. I agree with everything you said. Experts in a field are given the benefit of the doubt because of the earned attributes you identified, but evidence and data do not stand alone, they are interpreted. In many areas, this causes experts to reach different conclusions or even to disagree with one another. Even experts can possess biases and agendas that shape their interpretation of evidence. The simple choice of which data or information you are giving greater weight to reflects a bias that may be conscious or unconscious.
I did not address that statement to you and I edited that post because it would have been non-productive. I agree with everything you said. Experts in a field are given the benefit of the doubt because of the earned attributes you identified, but evidence and data do not stand alone, they are interpreted. In many areas, this causes experts to reach different conclusions or even to disagree with one another. Even experts can possess biases and agendas that shape their interpretation of evidence. The simple choice of which data or information you are giving greater weight to reflects a bias that may be conscious or unconscious.
I have a good friend whose daughter has an inoperable brain tumor. It causers her to have seizures. The doctors tried several medications to no avail. She is now prescribed medicinal marijuana and her seizures are now in check.
The list of useful treatments is growing. Some people with chronic pain that would have to take debilitating opioids can be effectively treated with medical marijuana.
I think that is big problem. The economy is obviously in very big trouble. People are losing their careers. There needs to be a balance between mitigating the risk posed to people, and that of the economy. The question is who decides what is more important. I guess that depends on who you ask.
The mental health aspects are vastly underrated and with the stretch on services before all this then who knows what the true ramifications will be.
at6
1st Sergeant
When it comes to the mental health aspect, I don't have to worry very much then. The shelter in place is so close to my life style that I've hardly noticed any difference. The only bad part is that my local Hobby shop is closed.
fubar57
General
B.C.s numbers after 100 days.
I personally believe this person deserves most or all the credit for how things are transpiring in the province and possibly saving a lot of lives. Unlike a lot of places in the world, no one is doubting her call. When this is all over and done with, she deserves a long holiday and a knighthood
Her credentials...https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/dr-bonnie-henry-profile-1.5531167
wuzak
Captain
The Spanish Flu killed between 50 and 100 million people after WWI.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Smoking kills 500,000 people annually just in the US.
But that is a choice the smoker makes, knowing damn well what the risks are. Nobody wants to catch a virus, let along choosing between risking the virus, or putting food on the table.
Shortround6
Major General
If I walk though the smoker's 2nd hand smoke for 10-20 seconds the odds of me dying in the next 2-3 weeks are pretty darn slim.
If I walk through the coronavirus carriers droplet cloud for 10-20 seconds the odds of me dying in the next 2-3 weeks are somewhat greater.
If I walk through the coronavirus carriers droplet cloud for 10-20 seconds the odds of me dying in the next 2-3 weeks are somewhat greater.
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