Coronavirus Thread

[Vincenzo]

Italy report, 5 pm CEST 3rd May
cases 210,717, +1,389, deaths 28,884, +174, recovered 81,654, +1,740, active cases 100,179, -525, tests 2,153,772, +44,935,
fatality rate 13.7%
mortality rate 479 per million
test rate 35.7 per thousand
positive rate 9.8%
test rate today 745 per million
positive rate today 3.1%

5th case in my town
fatality rate 40%
positive rate on population 1 per thousand

 

[nuuumannn]

What I find curious is that some countries with less rigorous quarantine measures don't seem to have come off worse than the ones who had.

This is an interesting construct and it is used here as a reason why we shouldn't have such rigorous lockdown proceedures, but the reality of the situation is that every environment is different, from whole countries to individual households. Perhaps what you are saying might be the case, Marcel, but it might not either. What makes one group of people survive and another not? There are too many unknowns to be presumptuous about it. Each government has handled the virus its way based on its expert advice, but we really don't know what will happen if things were done differently where we are.

Some people here believe that the lockdown we have/had should be lifted sooner because of the damage to the economy, they could be right, but we just don't know enough about what might happen if we did get rid of lockdown, there's no saying things would be better or worse, but evidence says it could be worse and perhaps for those making the decisions about lockdown that is enough.

As for comparisons with other countries, that just can't be validated because of so many variables. People here reckon that Australia is doing really well and they didn't have a Level 4 lockdown. Firstly, people in Australia think their government isn't doing enough. Secondly, what's to say that had Australia imposed a Level 4 lockdown their rates of illness and death wouldn't be less. They probably would be. Should we just accept that yes, people are gonna get sick and die, or should we do as much as we can to prevent the spread?

The struggling economy is a political football at the moment, but let's just clarify that the whole world is going through this and a small country like New Zealand relies so much on international trade that even if we went into a system that we think might help the economy, what difference would it actually make if no one is taking our products? Getting out of this lockdown won't save the economy at home if the rest of the world is not buying from us and we are not letting people in. Whose also to say that if we went back to life before this that our death and infection rate wouldn't escalate, like it has in the USA?

Political commentators and the media are not experts and are not doing the research required to make informed decisions. Governments, despite what they think are their best efforts also have to make decisions based on what they know, but even then they really don't know either way what might or might not happen if they didn't take the stance they did. And if they don't know enough, why take the risk?

Look at me changing my stance from before!

 

[ThomasP]

Minnesota report, May 3
cases 6,663***, recovered 3,013, hospitalized 1,199, deaths 419**/***, tested 82,632*/***
fatality rate 6.3%
mortality rate 73.5 per million
test rate 14.5 per thousand*
*Test kits and reagents are becoming more available, there are currently more available than needed to meet the demands of testing for suspected COVID-19 cases and first responder/healthcare/medical personnel. Testing of the general population is beginning in small numbers.
**Approximately 80% of Minnesota COVID-19 deaths have been from cases originating in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. As of today, the youngest to die was 30 years old, the oldest was 109. 98% of deaths have occurred among patients with underlying (including general frailty due to age) health conditions. In Minnesota the median age of death is 83.
***The measures used by Minnesota have reduced the rate of spread significantly, and our rate of spread (reflected by the 'curve') now appears to be almost constant. This appears true regardless of whether the controlling factor used is confirmed cases, test rate, or death rate.

 

[Vincenzo]

Italy report, 5 pm CEST 4th May
cases 211,938, + 1,221, deaths 29,079, +195, recovered 82,879, +1,225, active cases 99,980, -199, tests 2,191,403, +37,361
fatality rate 13.7%
mortality rate 482 per million
test rate 36.3 per thousand
positive rate 9.7%
test rate today 619 per million, very low
positive rate today 3.3%
Today is the first day of relaxed lock down, i see too many people around, many cars around, i hope gone fine but i suspect we will go up with cases

i've more infos on the 5th case of my town, she is the 75 years old wife of the 2nd case, just want note that are 45 days from when we known his husband was positive and 31 from him die

 

[fubar57]

Sorry to hear about the death but great news that your country is making the slow return back to normal

 

[nuuumannn]

Meanwhile, in our corner of the world...

No new COVID-19 cases in New Zealand

Hard data from the Ministry of Health:

COVID-19 - current cases

My girlfriend is a Community health nurse and she spends her days down at the local testing station. She and her fellow health workers in the hospital(as well as health experts round the country) all say that this is working and to get out of lockdown right now would blow it all away.

 

[fubar57]

Yep. Right now the health officials figure we're running about 30% of normal and winning. This is today's model chart if we stay as is or go completely nuts.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...le-without-a-resurgence-of-covid-19-1.5554868​

 

[at6]

Meanwhile, in our corner of the world...

No new COVID-19 cases in New Zealand

Hard data from the Ministry of Health:

COVID-19 - current cases

My girlfriend is a Community health nurse and she spends her days down at the local testing station. She and her fellow health workers in the hospital(as well as health experts round the country) all say that this is working and to get out of lockdown right now would blow it all away.

Mean while, here idiots are gathering in large groups to protest the lock downs without any masks or other forms of protection. They are also ignoring social distancing and gathering in large crowds at other locations. I can see a major catastrophe looming just ahead that will make what we've been going through look like a dress rehearsal for a really messed up play.

 

[nuuumannn]

Mean while, here idiots are gathering in large groups to protest the lock downs without any masks or other forms of protection. They are also ignoring social distancing and gathering in large crowds at other locations. I can see a major catastrophe looming just ahead that will make what we've been going through look like a dress rehearsal for a really messed up play.

Now I'm beginning to understand the answer to my question about why things are so bad in the USA right now.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Mean while, here idiots are gathering in large groups to protest the lock downs without any masks or other forms of protection. They are also ignoring social distancing and gathering in large crowds at other locations. I can see a major catastrophe looming just ahead that will make what we've been going through look like a dress rehearsal for a really messed up play.

So far most people in my area are taking it seriously. We shall see though. The governor just opened up large scale events again to the public such as concerts (I bet the casino lobbyists had something to do with that too...) despite the numbers of confirmed cases not declining.

 

[fubar57]

I'm not sure about the rest of Canada but in B.C. the casinos will be the very last places to open

 

[ThomasP]

Minnesota report, May 4
cases 7,234***, recovered 4,212, hospitalized 1,271, deaths 428**/***, tested 85,941*/***
fatality rate 5.9%
mortality rate 75.1 per million
test rate 15.1 per thousand*
*Test kits and reagents are becoming more available, there are currently more available than needed to meet the demands of testing for suspected COVID-19 cases and first responder/healthcare/medical personnel. Testing of the general population is beginning in small numbers.
**Approximately 80% of Minnesota COVID-19 deaths have been from cases originating in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. As of today, the youngest to die was 30 years old, the oldest was 109. 98% of deaths have occurred among patients with underlying health conditions. In Minnesota the median age of death is 83.
***The measures used by Minnesota have reduced the rate of spread significantly, and our rate of spread (reflected by the 'curve') now appears to be almost constant. This appears true regardless of whether the controlling factor used is confirmed cases, test rate, or death rate.

 

[wuzak]

Mean while, here idiots are gathering in large groups to protest the lock downs without any masks or other forms of protection. They are also ignoring social distancing and gathering in large crowds at other locations. I can see a major catastrophe looming just ahead that will make what we've been going through look like a dress rehearsal for a really messed up play.

Some with semi-automatic rifles.

With them all being riled up, what could go wrong?

 

[pbehn]

We had a media commentator yesterday demanding a track and trace app that doesn't interfere with civil liberties and right to privacy by recording personal information. So basically we demand you do what S. Korea does without being able to do what S. Korea does. That is a real win win for someone who wants to have something to complain about 24/7.

 

[rochie]

Pressure is on for details of the UK's plan to ease the lockdown, as i work in a hotel i am not sure when i may go back to work.

i hope as a small hotel ( 25 rooms ) and being in the middle of nowhere we dont have too much passing trade and only really cater for our residents, we can operate while practicing social distancing.
It is our weddings and function business i worry about, our weddings were cancelled or moved to a different date for April, May, June and July, we still have weddings booked from 8th August but i cannot see even them going ahead !

 

[rochie]

We had a media commentator yesterday demanding a track and trace app that doesn't interfere with civil liberties and right to privacy by recording personal information. So basically we demand you do what S. Korea does without being able to do what S. Korea does. That is a real win win for someone who wants to have something to complain about 24/7.

Another beauty from the BBC, car sales down 97%
UK car sales plunge to lowest level since 1946
Really, what do you think was going to happen when the country is on lockdown and car dealerships ate closed ?
Why do i still have to pay a licence fee ?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

We had a media commentator yesterday demanding a track and trace app that doesn't interfere with civil liberties and right to privacy by recording personal information. So basically we demand you do what S. Korea does without being able to do what S. Korea does. That is a real win win for someone who wants to have something to complain about 24/7.

I hope that anyone with a smart phone is not stupid enough to complain about this.

 

[pbehn]

I hope that anyone with a smart phone is not stupid enough to complain about this.

Of course they are, they can simultaneously complain about everything even two completely opposing policies. Our opposition leader has demanded that we "follow the science" AND establish a consensus among the population about future policy. What if the "consensus" is to isolate London Mr Starmer you fool. Our union leaders are thinking up all sorts of reasons for people to go on strike when much more than half the population is not working. People can complain about an "evacuation flight" from Australia or India cost $1,300 AND it was CROWDED, with no social distancing daaaahling. Well the plane has to fly there empty and there are no economies of scale any more.. The same people who say "You locked down too late" are now saying "Now we are past the peak why aren't you opening the economy". We still have hundreds dying every day and thousands of new cases, we may have passed the peak in UK but that doesn't mean in any way it is over. Many people (me included) are now feeling much sympathy for the government, they are confronted with utter stupidity from all sides from sunrise to sunset. In most cases there isn't really any "politics" apart from the grim balancing of health and wealth where all possibilities mean loss of life in some way. My objection is to the whole field being littered with idiots like the one who asked about the "science" behind the governments advice on raising the lockdown then asked "at precisely what date and time the "peak" was reached", this proves he actually doesn't know what the "peak" is.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

You hit the nail on the head with idiots everywhere.

 

[Airframes]

Yep. The sooner the 'idiots' (in all sectors) realise that this is as bad as, perhaps worse than, the after effects of NBC warfare, the better.
Peaks may have been reached and passed, but it far from over - raising lockdown may ease the temporary inconvenience, but it will not prevent things getting worse, again.
When these fools eventually get to grips with the facts, and understand that easing lockdown and getting back to 'normal' now, could very well prolong the long term effects, where World economy. and health, would sink to unmanageable levels, resulting in poverty and famine worldwide, the sooner sensible policies can be enforced.
I have normally no time for any politician, but I have to agree with pbehn, and have huge respect for the UK Government at this time, for the way they're handling the situation, and providing at least some support, healthwise and financially, for the UK population.