Same with all these meetings about when and how the football season can restart !
as if any sport is of any consequence right now.
as if any sport is of any consequence right now.
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To keep away from politics we frequently have "Talksport" on the radio. They cant seem to get their heads around the fact that things have changed. Football will be the last thing to "re start". There will be some fans who will go regardless but a lot wont. with half the country not working many wont pay for a season ticket, for a season that has no guarantee of finishing or even starting. I am even supposed to worry that clubs may lose their £100million players if they don't keep paying them over £1 a month. I don't remember being asked when they set up that madness. Most of all, I think our "media" based in London cant come to terms with the fact that London may never be the same. The theatres, clubs, bars and sports events may never reopen in the way they were.
Well, I finally found some data for the age of UK deaths to Covid-19
They are from 24th April.
The percentage of those dying aged under 45 is 1.25% (percentage of total deaths registered as Covid-19). We don't know whether or what any contributing health problems were factors in these deaths.
88.6 % of deaths were aged over 65 and 74.3% over 75 (percentages of total).
Now, I am not suggesting that we throw older people under the bus. I'm over 60 myself, and not far off the first high risk group. What I am suggesting is that we have to look at ways to get nations moving again while protecting our elderly. The lockdowns were a useful and necessary tool to do this, but we have to start looking at ways out of this.
The lockdown kills too. In the UK, for example, referrals of cancer patients for specialist treatment fell by 76% last month. That will kill people too. There is substantial evidence that first responders are attending more deaths at home from strokes, heart attacks etc., because people are reluctant to call 999. That too is people dying, sometimes unecessarily.
They are from 24th April.
The percentage of those dying aged under 45 is 1.25% (percentage of total deaths registered as Covid-19). We don't know whether or what any contributing health problems were factors in these deaths.
88.6 % of deaths were aged over 65 and 74.3% over 75 (percentages of total).
Now, I am not suggesting that we throw older people under the bus. I'm over 60 myself, and not far off the first high risk group. What I am suggesting is that we have to look at ways to get nations moving again while protecting our elderly. The lockdowns were a useful and necessary tool to do this, but we have to start looking at ways out of this.
The lockdown kills too. In the UK, for example, referrals of cancer patients for specialist treatment fell by 76% last month. That will kill people too. There is substantial evidence that first responders are attending more deaths at home from strokes, heart attacks etc., because people are reluctant to call 999. That too is people dying, sometimes unecessarily.
Italy report, 5 pm CEST 5th May
cases 213,013, +1,075, deaths 29,315, +236, recovered 85,231, +2,352, active cases 98,467, -1,513, tests 2,246,666, +55,263
fatality rate 13.8%
mortality rate 486 per million
test rate 37.2 per thousand
positive rate 9.5%
test rate today 916 per million
positive rate today 1.9%
cases 213,013, +1,075, deaths 29,315, +236, recovered 85,231, +2,352, active cases 98,467, -1,513, tests 2,246,666, +55,263
fatality rate 13.8%
mortality rate 486 per million
test rate 37.2 per thousand
positive rate 9.5%
test rate today 916 per million
positive rate today 1.9%
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New Strain of Coronavirus has Emerged
This is quite troubling. I'm not sure what the basic reproduction figures are for the new strain.
This is quite troubling. I'm not sure what the basic reproduction figures are for the new strain.
That only refers to a recession within a country. Many oil producing nations in the middle east have economies based purely on oil based at a price of $60. Many countries are hugely reliant on tourism or trade using aircraft. While others rely heavily on remissions from their nationals working in richer countries.
Of course there are different variables. Every country is going to be different.
Of course, but people frequently refer to the 1918 pandemic. In 1918 the world population was 1.6 billion. That is just above the population of China and India today, it is quite possible that we aint seen nothing yet.
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It certainly will be interesting too see where this all goes.
Did you read it?
swampyankee
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The 1918 Spanish Flu (it was first detected at a US Army base in Kansas, which was once Spanish, but the reason it's the Spanish flu, not the Kansas flu, is because the Spanish newspapers weren't under the same censorship restrictions, so news of it was first published in Spain) is widely considered the most comparable pandemic, and it's certainly arguable that it's the most similar one for many years: Ebola never spread significantly beyond Africa, while measles, mumps, and polio were around for a very long time and had a fairly constant background level with occasional spikes.
Yes, the world had fewer people; it also had far lower capability for medical care. The only method of slowing the spread of the epidemic was social distancing (quarantine). On about a third of the current population, the US had 675,000 deaths due to Spanish flu until it burned itself out, out of about 50,000,000 world wide. (the US was about 10% of the World's population at the time) Scaling the 675,000 to current US population would give about 1.9 million; the 50,000,000 worldwide value would scale to about 300,000,000 worldwide. There are a lot of poor, densely populated countries out there. I think that India, Pakistan, and Myanmar are going to be very hard hit.
Covid-19 is actually not a flu, although influenza is also a highly mutating viral disease.
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Yes I did, but I decided to delete my post because, while there was no intention to make it political: I figure there's no way it can be not interpreted as political, and I'd rather not get the thread locked down.
I was curious simply from the standpoint that you seem to be a reliable person.
I was curious simply from the standpoint that you seem to be a reliable person.
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Old news.
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Dating back to early March........
I read about there being over 30 identified strains, some deadlier than others. And the strains inthe US aren't the deadly ones...
I think that there are trade offs. Social distancing stops infections, but it does hurt the economy too. I, however, don't believe in the argument that the "Open Up At All Costs Because of the Economy" people always use. The argument that the cure will be worse than the disease. They say that deaths will rise because of people losing their jobs. Not, because I think that is false. Sure some suicides and deaths may increase, but not as much as if we lift all the restrictions. If you do that not only will deaths from the virus increase, but for all other causes as well because the healthcare system will be overwhelmed. The article touches on that a bit.
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Apparently the most lethal ones were hitting China and Italy.
I agree with your logic, but balancing suicide deaths v. Covid deaths is still a brutal calculus.
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