I personally do not see suicide deaths outpacing Covid deaths.
is there any factual or scientific evidence that this would occur? Serious question.
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I personally do not see suicide deaths outpacing Covid deaths.
is there any factual or scientific evidence that this would occur? Serious question.
It's a fast mutating virus, like the flu. I have seem many genomes with all minor substitutions. Don't know what they consider to be a different 'strain' or that the media calls it that way.
We're getting epidemiologists and mental health experts now saying that we risk the unintended consequences being worse for the country than the virus. We've had 20 Covid deaths, and it will take less than a 10% increase in suicide to eclipse this.
I personally think we've gone too far with a countrywide lockdown. We've got regions that have been a month without any cases, so there is definitely a case for lifting lockdown regionally.
But... I'm not going to go out and ignore it to protest like an idiot
If your country has beaten it because your people did the right things, then by all means the economic effects would be worse at this point. But if a country does not have the spread under control, opening the country will not help anything. Things will get worse.
I don't believe suicides will outpace Covid deaths either, and I do not know of any studies addressing the current issue. In 2018, with a robust economy and no pandemic over 48,000 Americans committed suicide. During the Great Recession (2007-2010) there was a 4.8 percent increase in suicides in the US. What I meant by brutal was that as a society we are going to choose the option that costs the fewer number of human lives., knowing that continued isolation and personal economic devastation will cause more people to kill themselves. It is a sad situation.
fubar57
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Only eight new cases in B.C. today, lowest since the beginning of March
Maybe not in the US. however, a 4.8% increase in NZ's rate would equate to 33 people. Significantly more than the 21 Covid deaths so far
wuzak
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New Zealand can't be far from having no active cases?
I agree it is a very sad situation. What do you do though? One is more likely to kill more than the other.
172 at the moment, and decreasing.
You listen to the experts. Unfotunately, we have experience at mental health issues following disasters, so there isn't a huge amount of speculation going on.
fubar57
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That's what happened in B.C.. The only places ordered to close were, barbers, hair salons, manicurists and casinos as these places had extreme close contact. Every other business voluntarily closed down. Its hurting them a lot but they felt this was the best way and its showing. The Premier is going on tomorrow to discuss plans for partial reopening. To his credit, he is listening to Dr. Henry and the thought is he will just make a slightly bigger social bubble.
It's a tough one at the moment when we are in the middle of it and when things are so uncertain that a move in the wrong direction could so easily make things much worse. I was devastated to see that the USA government wants to end lockdown to get the economy rolling (and that Jared Kushner seems to think the US response is a 'success'), but to what end?
This is what supporters of getting the economy rolling don't really get. The whole world is suffering. The market has changed. Normal trade simply cannot happen because of what's going on everywhere else. Perhaps the USA can survive on its own resources and internal trade, but it will still have a detrimental effect on business not being able to trade internationally. And what happens if the ignorance of social distancing causes another peak in the virus? Are lives dispensible now?
Sensible governments should block international flights from the USA to stop the spread of this round the world. Build a wall I say!
I agree. It looks like you guys did just that.
As quoted to Joseph Göbbels (whether that is true or not):
" If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Yup, the government has acted strongly in resisting calls to bring the levels down, which are largely coming from across the political divide.
ThomasP
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Minnesota report, May 5
cases 7,821***, recovered 4,614, hospitalized 1,350, deaths 455**/***, tested 88,009*/***
fatality rate 5.8%
mortality rate 79.8 per million
test rate 15.4 per thousand*
*Test kits and reagents are becoming more available, there are currently more available than needed to meet the demands of testing for suspected COVID-19 cases and first responder/healthcare/medical personnel. Testing of the general population is beginning in small numbers.
**Approximately 80% of Minnesota COVID-19 deaths have been from cases originating in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. As of today, the youngest to die was 30 years old, the oldest was 109. 98% of deaths have occurred among patients with underlying health conditions. In Minnesota the median age of death is 83.
***The measures used by Minnesota have reduced the rate of spread significantly, and our rate of spread (reflected by the 'curve') now appears to be almost constant. This appears true regardless of whether the controlling factor used is confirmed
cases, test rate, or death rate.
cases 7,821***, recovered 4,614, hospitalized 1,350, deaths 455**/***, tested 88,009*/***
fatality rate 5.8%
mortality rate 79.8 per million
test rate 15.4 per thousand*
*Test kits and reagents are becoming more available, there are currently more available than needed to meet the demands of testing for suspected COVID-19 cases and first responder/healthcare/medical personnel. Testing of the general population is beginning in small numbers.
**Approximately 80% of Minnesota COVID-19 deaths have been from cases originating in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. As of today, the youngest to die was 30 years old, the oldest was 109. 98% of deaths have occurred among patients with underlying health conditions. In Minnesota the median age of death is 83.
***The measures used by Minnesota have reduced the rate of spread significantly, and our rate of spread (reflected by the 'curve') now appears to be almost constant. This appears true regardless of whether the controlling factor used is confirmed
cases, test rate, or death rate.
Our scare stories still continue.
This one, from Liverpool, was about a family tragedy where a mother died in the same hospital in which her daughter was being treated. The daughter is quoted as saying that her mum didn't have any underlying health conditions, had type-2 diabetes, but was regularly at the gym and was "quite fit".
Diabetes is a known factor in Covid-19 fatalities and anyone with Type 2 diabetes cannot and should not be described as having no underlying health conditions. It is not just disingenuous it is factually incorrect. The lady who sadly died was also 65 years old, just nudging into the higher risk age range too.
This one, from Liverpool, was about a family tragedy where a mother died in the same hospital in which her daughter was being treated. The daughter is quoted as saying that her mum didn't have any underlying health conditions, had type-2 diabetes, but was regularly at the gym and was "quite fit".
Diabetes is a known factor in Covid-19 fatalities and anyone with Type 2 diabetes cannot and should not be described as having no underlying health conditions. It is not just disingenuous it is factually incorrect. The lady who sadly died was also 65 years old, just nudging into the higher risk age range too.
They just lifted all restrictions in our county despite cases increasing.
i suspect cases and deaths will increase more, and then economy will suffer even more.
It's all just a scare tactic hoax though. smh
i suspect cases and deaths will increase more, and then economy will suffer even more.
It's all just a scare tactic hoax though. smh
fubar57
General
Good Lord. Wish you guys well down there
58 percent of workers at Tyson meat factory in Iowa test positive for coronavirus
This is an example of why one needs better testing, and better worker protections, i.e. paid sick leave. If you open things up, as things are now you will never stop it. The economy will suffer even more because of worker shortages. You need to balance health/safety and the economy. One cannot be done without the other.
This is an example of why one needs better testing, and better worker protections, i.e. paid sick leave. If you open things up, as things are now you will never stop it. The economy will suffer even more because of worker shortages. You need to balance health/safety and the economy. One cannot be done without the other.
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