TheMadPenguin
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This illustrates American PARTISANSHIP, more than Politics. I meet partisanship all over the web; I meet very little politics anywhere.
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This illustrates American PARTISANSHIP, more than Politics. I meet partisanship all over the web; I meet very little politics anywhere.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Minnesota report, May 11
cases 11,799***, recovered 7,536, hospitalized 1,716, deaths 591**/***, tested 115,781*/***
fatality rate 5.0%
mortality rate 103.7 per million
test rate 20.3 per thousand*
*Test kits and reagents are becoming more available, and Minnesota's ability to test has just passed 5,000 people/day. Testing of the general population is beginning in small numbers.
**Approximately 80% of Minnesota COVID-19 deaths have been from cases originating in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. As of today, the youngest to die was 30 years old, the oldest was 109, and 98% of deaths have occurred among patients with underlying health conditions. In Minnesota the median age of death is 83.
***The measures used by Minnesota have reduced the rate of spread significantly, however our rate of spread (reflected by the 'curve') now appears to be increasing again. In theory this is at least partly (largely?) due to the increased rate of testing. HOWEVER, over the last 10 days, the new hospitalization rate has slowly increased from 118/day to 199/day. The average death rate for the last 10 days is 22.5 per day.
cases 11,799***, recovered 7,536, hospitalized 1,716, deaths 591**/***, tested 115,781*/***
fatality rate 5.0%
mortality rate 103.7 per million
test rate 20.3 per thousand*
*Test kits and reagents are becoming more available, and Minnesota's ability to test has just passed 5,000 people/day. Testing of the general population is beginning in small numbers.
**Approximately 80% of Minnesota COVID-19 deaths have been from cases originating in nursing homes and assisted care facilities. As of today, the youngest to die was 30 years old, the oldest was 109, and 98% of deaths have occurred among patients with underlying health conditions. In Minnesota the median age of death is 83.
***The measures used by Minnesota have reduced the rate of spread significantly, however our rate of spread (reflected by the 'curve') now appears to be increasing again. In theory this is at least partly (largely?) due to the increased rate of testing. HOWEVER, over the last 10 days, the new hospitalization rate has slowly increased from 118/day to 199/day. The average death rate for the last 10 days is 22.5 per day.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Addition to Minnesota report, May 11
If I am calculating it right, the average per capita daily death rate for Minnesota has just passed that of Italy.
Minnesota__ 22.5/million
Italy________21.8/million
If I am calculating it right, the average per capita daily death rate for Minnesota has just passed that of Italy.
Minnesota__ 22.5/million
Italy________21.8/million
Hang in there mate.
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What's the difference, heh? Partisanship & Politics Promote Pissed-off People. Consensus Deteriorates Catastrophically.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
Although it can be argued to a minor extent, the following is the difference between Politics and Partisanship.
Politics (in the national or state sense) is a mechanism or system used to achieve an outcome oriented toward management of a social group. Politics is inherently neither moral nor immoral, anymore than a pencil, a car, or a gun is.
Partisanship is promoting one idea over another, and may be moral, immoral, or neither.
Pencils do not misspell words, cars do not cause accidents, and guns do not shoot people. In the same sense, a political system does not misspell words, cause accidents, or shoot people. There is no inherent moral or immoral nature in pencils, cars, guns, or politics.
By definition, a Partisan is a person, and Partisanship sets one group against another. If one group wants to use a Tungsten-Carbide cutting tool and the other wants to use High Speed Steel, it can be argued that the intent is neither moral nor immoral. When one group argues that Tungsten-Carbide should not be used due to the need to purchase the material from a country that uses slaves to mine and process the Tungsten, it can be considered to be a morally good thing to not use Tungsten-Carbide. If the group in favor of using High Speed Steel lies to the other group in order to generate sales for a company owned by one of the group, a company that buys its Tungsten from the same country that uses slave labor mentioned above, that group can be considered to be acting immorally.
People misspell words, cause traffic accidents, and shoot people. In addition, pencils, cars, and guns can all be used to kill people. In the same way, people who behave in a Partisan manner are responsible for how a Political system is used - morally, immorally, or neither. Partisans sometimes use Politics to kill people.
Politics (in the national or state sense) is a mechanism or system used to achieve an outcome oriented toward management of a social group. Politics is inherently neither moral nor immoral, anymore than a pencil, a car, or a gun is.
Partisanship is promoting one idea over another, and may be moral, immoral, or neither.
Pencils do not misspell words, cars do not cause accidents, and guns do not shoot people. In the same sense, a political system does not misspell words, cause accidents, or shoot people. There is no inherent moral or immoral nature in pencils, cars, guns, or politics.
By definition, a Partisan is a person, and Partisanship sets one group against another. If one group wants to use a Tungsten-Carbide cutting tool and the other wants to use High Speed Steel, it can be argued that the intent is neither moral nor immoral. When one group argues that Tungsten-Carbide should not be used due to the need to purchase the material from a country that uses slaves to mine and process the Tungsten, it can be considered to be a morally good thing to not use Tungsten-Carbide. If the group in favor of using High Speed Steel lies to the other group in order to generate sales for a company owned by one of the group, a company that buys its Tungsten from the same country that uses slave labor mentioned above, that group can be considered to be acting immorally.
People misspell words, cause traffic accidents, and shoot people. In addition, pencils, cars, and guns can all be used to kill people. In the same way, people who behave in a Partisan manner are responsible for how a Political system is used - morally, immorally, or neither. Partisans sometimes use Politics to kill people.
The United States is about to take part in a large experiment to establish whether removing restrictions at a time when a pandemic is not under control will lead to a rapid increase in infections (and inevitably hospitalisations and deaths), or not.
Millions of Americans will unwittingly or reluctantly be the guinea pigs in this experiment.
The two probable outcomes are widely at variance with each other. If the medical experts are correct, then hundreds of thousands of Americans will die. If the politicians are correct, then the virus will go away and everything will be fine.
The results will not be in for a couple of months, but I found this graph which does not look very promising for the politicians.
Millions of Americans will unwittingly or reluctantly be the guinea pigs in this experiment.
The two probable outcomes are widely at variance with each other. If the medical experts are correct, then hundreds of thousands of Americans will die. If the politicians are correct, then the virus will go away and everything will be fine.
The results will not be in for a couple of months, but I found this graph which does not look very promising for the politicians.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Understanding how a mask works helps keep some people from looking like an ass.
An N95 (NIOSH) mask has filtration that prevents passage of pathogens.
ANYTHING else is either ineffective or harmful. A cloth mask, for example, captures moisture from a person's breath and attracts microbes/bacteria and creates an environment favorable to pathogens.
In addition, every single time a person wears a mask, it must be properly disposed of after wearing, not placed on the counter, car seat, in a purse, at cetera - no one follows this rule because no one cares enough to educate the public.
People who should wear a mask are people at risk with compromised immune systems, people who are sick (with the virus, etc.) and people who work around others that may be compromised.
Otherwise, a mask is not nessecary for a healthy peraon and is both a placebo and a waste of a mask that otherwise could be useful to someone who really needs it.
The Surgeon General of the U.S. has been trying to tell people about this very thing and it appears no one is paying attention...
A specialist here said that masks prevent 10 to 40% of the virusses to reach the nose or mouth. With other words, it'll do nothing.
I just heard I'll have to work from home until the 1st of september. Pffff....
No hotels open until 4th july at the earliest, yet there is now talk of the government furlough scheme being cut to 60% of salary !
I cannot pay all my bills, rent etc if i only have 60%of what i normally earn.
Hoping we reopen before that happens.
I cannot pay all my bills, rent etc if i only have 60%of what i normally earn.
Hoping we reopen before that happens.
Not according to what I've read. A mask doesn't exist to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer. Even a cloth mask with a removable paper towel liner is effective for this if it's properly sanitized and liner replaced after use. Given the idiosyncrasies of this virus, nobody is known to be non-infectious, even if they're ostensibly "healthy".
I lucked out and stumbled on a package of N95s tucked away in my wood shop. Gave one to my lady friend, kept one for myself, and gave the rest to my local health center. Mine has lettering on the front: "My mask protects YOU. YOUR mask protects me. WHERE IS IT??"
I expect mask wearing will become the new normal and go on indefinitely, as will social distancing and a downsized economy. This thing isn't going away anytime soon.
Cheers,
Wes
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We all know the definitions. The point is they're equally effective at creating divisiveness, closed mindedness, and weaponized personal interactions. Leading, at best, to functional paralysis and at worst to outright warfare.
Except you are conveniently ignoring two points...
1. The Surgeon General is appointed, and pushing the agenda of the administration.
2. Pretty much every medical expert that is not a so called "Facebook Expert" says to wear the masks because:
A. due to the high numbers of asymptomatic people, and not knowing who is sick and who isn't it will help lower the transmission of the disease.
B. Even if a mask is not 100% effective it lowers the risk of transmission, especially when multiple people are wearing it, because it protects the healthy person from the sick person.
But sure, lets ignore the medical community, and take the word of one who is obviously pushing a prescribed agenda.
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buffnut453
Captain
Exactly! Wearing a mask doesn't protect the wearer from infection but even a cloth covering over the mouth and nose will prevent the escape of droplets. A large proportion of people infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic or only suffer very mild symptoms, which means they could be (and almost certainly are) spreading the virus unknowingly to their friends, neighbours, work colleagues etc. Wearing masks will help slow that innocent transmission.
fubar57
General
I must have finally achieved my goal of becoming a time traveller....
It amazes me how people don't seem to grasp something so simple, that or choose to simply ignore it. How the hell did we become a super power? I guess it does take brains to wield a big stick.
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