FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Those hit and run tactics were starting to decimate Zeros while the lowly 5th AF was still flying P-39s and P-40s. When the P-38 came on the scene in Dec. 1942 most Zeros just became cannon fodder for them...
Could America have won against the rest of the world?
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Lucky13
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Eeerrrmmmm.....what is that the US have that you can't find anywhere else in the world, that is so important that it makes worth to invade??
syscom3
Pacific Historian
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Lucky13
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I hate this with internet but....I wouldn't compare your whiskey with the proper Scottish or Irish ones. As for women, I don't think that birds back in my "old country" are that bad.....said with tongue in cheek...
The US aircraft will be shot down if they try to combat the U-abots Syscom3, the massive advantage in a/c enjoyed by the EA alliance would've more than made sure of that.
Another clear example of that you don't read other's posts... I wrote 1941 Syscom3, not late 1942, and besides in 1942 the EA would have the 670 km/h Bf-109 F-4 at their disposal.
The range of the 109 wasn't short with drop-tanks, and the extremely low ladning speed of the Bf-109 and Spitfire helps significantly at reducing the force on impact during carrier landings.
PS: AFAIK the Spitfire did pretty well in the pacific
No, the Germans did as-well. And it really puzzles me if anyone doesn't, esp. considering that the much heavier and clumsy P-47 could operate from a carrier.
Again you haven't been reading squat Syscom3. You don't strike the center to begin with in an invasion Syscom3, you first secure a foothold on the enemy continent, a place from which you can sent landbased fighters and recieve supplies. As the war progresses and the EA alliance gets further inland the airbases are moved forward and new supply check points are established.
What the heck are you talking about ?! The Me-262 could've been mass produced in 1943 by help of German funding alone, Hitler prevented it, thats a fact.
The Me-262 was ready and flying long before 1944 buddy ! In early 1943 the Me-262A-1 was flown in demonstration infront of Hitler.
300 miles ?? Syscom3 the Me-262 had a 320 mile combat radius on internal fuel alone !
The P-80 ?! Ha ! With the problems facing you that a/c wouldn't be ready before much longer, and even then it suffered some even more serious problems than the Me-262 - hence why it wasn't used during WW2 when it easily could've.
And as to the problems suffered by the Me-262 with its engine fan-blades having to rely on poor metals, well that problem is eliminated in a EA alliance where the necessary raw materials to build the heat resistant blades would be easy to get hold of - problem solved.
No I'm not pushing technology, I'm pushing funding as would happen in an EA alliance. And all of the above was available to the Germans even earlier. (Even the proximity fuzes believe it or not)
The Germans were producing Jet engine as early as 1940, and guided missiles bombs not much after 1940.
I wasn't sleeping cause I actually listened when the explanation of why was given - modern production methods, facilities etc etc wasn't available to many Asian countries, an Alliance with Europa would completely eliminate this problem.
Sent to the Russians or not the US produced the tanks and they didn't achieve to produce the same amount as the USSR alone. Is that simple little fact really so hard for you to understand ??
What the heck does this matter when you'll be facing far more tanks than you yourself can produce ?? In an EA alliance you can also expect ALOT more Tiger and Panthers knocking at your door ! And on top of this you've got a force of T-34's in larger numbers than your force of Shermans.
Against a confused and routing army mainly made up of children and old men, yeah sure it really proved itself - Esp. when two were knocked out by German AFV's belonging to the Hitler Jugend!
Side arms ??? Its smallarms were talking about here buddy, not sidearms.
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syscom3
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
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mosquitoman
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Lucky13
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Fritz X
Fritz X was the most common name for a German air-launched anti-ship missile, used during World War II. Fritz X was an allied code-name; alternate names include Ruhrstahl SD 1400 X, X-1, PC 1400 X or FX 1400. The latter is also the origin for the name "Fritz X". It is one of the precursors of today's anti-ship missiles and precision-guided weapons.
History
The Fritz X was a further development of the high-explosive bomb SD 1400 (Splitterbombe, dickwandig, 1400 kg; German for "fragmention bomb, thick-walled, 1400 kg"). It was given a more aerodynamic nose, four wing stubs with a span of 1.40 m and a box shaped tail unit. The missile was steered by radio from the aircraft (a Heinkel He 111, He 177 or Dornier Do 217 bomber). The crewman who guided the bomb always had to see the target. Thus the bomb had a flare attached that so that it could be seen from the aircraft. The disadvantage with this - in comparison to glide bombs like the Henschel Hs 293 - was that the aircraft had to be flown over the target. Unlike the Hs 293 the Fritz X was intended to be used against armoured ship. The minimum release height was 4,000 meters.
Dipl. engineer Max Kramer who worked at the DVL had been experimenting since 1938 with remote-controlled free-falling 250 kg bombs. In 1940, Ruhrstahl was invited to join the development, since they already had experience in the development and production of unguided bombs.
Combat service
The Fritz X was deployed on 29 August 1943. On 9 September 1943 the Luftwaffe achieved their greatest success with the weapon. After the Italian armistice with the Allies, the Italian fleet had steamed out from La Spezia and headed to Malta. To prevent the ships from falling into Allied hands, 12 Dornier Do 217s from the III. Gruppe of KG100 took off; each carrying a single Fritz X. The Italian battleship Roma, the flagship of the Italian fleet, received several hits and sank after her ammunition magazines exploded. 1,455 men, among them Admiral Carlo Bergamini died. Her sister ship Italia was also damaged.
One week later, the Germans scored another three hits with Fritz X on the British battleship Warspite at Salerno. One bomb penetrated six decks before exploding against the bottom of the ship, blowing a large hole in her. The ship took on a total of 5,000 tonnes of water, lost steam (and thus all power, both to the ship herself and to all her systems) but casualties were few. She had to be taken in tow to Malta and then returned to Britain via Gibraltar and was out of action for near 9 months; she was never completely repaired, but returned to action to bombard Normandy for the invasion of Europe.
The control system used for the Fritz-X, known as the Kehl (and also used by the Hs 293 missle), was susceptible to electronic countermeasures - either straightforward jamming, which blocked the control signals from the bomber, or spoofing, in which the missile was given a signal that sent the control surfaces to an extreme position, eg hard left or full down, sending it out of control into a stall or spiralling dive. By the time of the Normandy landings the combination of allied fighters that kept bombers at bay and ship-mounted jammers meant the missiles had no significant effect on the invasion fleet. Some accounts say that the Norwegian destroyer HNoMS Svenner was hit by a Fritz X at dawn, D-Day.
When working properly, the missile was able to pierce more than 20 inches of steel armor plate.
Other ships, which were damaged by the Fritz X included:
the American cruiser USS Philadelphia
the American cruiser USS Savannah
the British cruiser HMS Uganda
the British anti-aircraft cruiser HMS Spartan (sunk)
the British destroyer HMS Janus (sunk)
the military hospital ship HMHS Newfoundland (sunk)
Henschel Hs 293
The Henschel Hs 293 was a World War II German anti-shipping guided missile: a radio-controlled glide bomb with a rocket engine slung underneath it.
History
The Hs 293 project was started in 1940, based on the "Gustav Schwartz Propellerwerke" pure glide bomb that was designed in 1939. The Schwartz design did not have a terminal guidance system - it used an autopilot to maintain a straight course. The intention was that it could be launched from a bomber at sufficient distance to be out of range of anti-aircraft fire. Henschel developed it the following year by adding a rocket motor underneath it to allow it to be used from lower altitude and to increase the range.
Over 1000 were built, from 1942 onwards.
Combat performance
The Hs 293 was intended to destroy unarmoured ships unlike the Fritz X, that was intended for use against armoured ships. The operator controlled the radio-guided missile with a joystick. Five colored flares were attached to the rear of the weapon to make it visible at a distance to the operator. During nighttime operations flashing lights instead of flares were used.
One drawback of the Hs 293 was that, after the missile was launched, the bomber had to fly in a straight and level path, and thus could not manoeuvre to evade attacking fighters.
On August 27, 1943, an Hs 293 was used in the first successful attack by a guided missile, sinking the British sloop HMS Egret. On November 26, 1943 an Hs 293 caused the sinking of the troop transport HMT Rohna killing over 1,000 people.
Although designed for use against ships, it was also used in Normandy in early August 1944 to attack bridges over the River See and River Selume. Only one bridge was slightly damaged but six aircraft were lost.
The Hs 293 was carried on Heinkel He 111, Heinkel He 177, Focke-Wulf Fw 200, Dornier Do 217 planes.
Variants
Hs 293A (later Hs 293A-1), the original version.
Hs 293B was wire-guided to prevent jamming; it was never put into production, because jamming was never serious enough to prevent the radio-guided version from being effective.
Hs 293C (production version designated Hs 293A-2) had a detachable warhead.
Hs 293D was television-guided. Twenty were built and tested, but it was never used operationally as the television equipment was unreliable.
Hs 293E an experimental model to test spoiler controls as a replacement to ailerons; never put into series production. This modification was put into the final version of the Hs 293A-2 but by then the Luftwaffe had no aircraft available for anti-shipping operations and it was never deployed.
Hs 293F a tailless variant; never got further than the design phase.
Hs 293H an experimental variant designed to be launched from one aircraft and controlled from another. Abandoned because allied air superiority had reached the point where it was felt that the second aircraft would be unable to remain in the vicinity of the ship for long enough.
Hs 293V6 designed for launching from the Arado Ar 234 jet bomber at 720 km/h. The main change was reducing the wing span of the missile to allow it to be carried within the aircraft. The missile did not proceed past the design stage.
On the side.... Although often viewed as a last ditch super-weapon, the Me 262 was already being developed as project P.1065 before the start of World War II. Plans were first drawn up in April 1939, and the original design was very similar indeed to the plane that would eventually enter service. The progression of the original design into service was delayed by a lack of funds, as always, as many high-ranking officials thought that the war could easily be won with conventional aircraft, nothing new here, and therefore most of the available government funds were used for the production of other aircraft.
As for the Arado 234, the Arado company stepped up to the plate when In the autumn of 1940 the RLM offered a tender for a jet powered high-speed reconnaissance aircraft with a range of 2,156 km (1,340 miles). Arado was the only company to respond, offering their E.370 project, lead by Professor Walter Blume. The first two prototypes were largely complete before the end of 1941.
As for submarines, didn't the development start on type XXI in 1942?
Fritz X was the most common name for a German air-launched anti-ship missile, used during World War II. Fritz X was an allied code-name; alternate names include Ruhrstahl SD 1400 X, X-1, PC 1400 X or FX 1400. The latter is also the origin for the name "Fritz X". It is one of the precursors of today's anti-ship missiles and precision-guided weapons.
History
The Fritz X was a further development of the high-explosive bomb SD 1400 (Splitterbombe, dickwandig, 1400 kg; German for "fragmention bomb, thick-walled, 1400 kg"). It was given a more aerodynamic nose, four wing stubs with a span of 1.40 m and a box shaped tail unit. The missile was steered by radio from the aircraft (a Heinkel He 111, He 177 or Dornier Do 217 bomber). The crewman who guided the bomb always had to see the target. Thus the bomb had a flare attached that so that it could be seen from the aircraft. The disadvantage with this - in comparison to glide bombs like the Henschel Hs 293 - was that the aircraft had to be flown over the target. Unlike the Hs 293 the Fritz X was intended to be used against armoured ship. The minimum release height was 4,000 meters.
Dipl. engineer Max Kramer who worked at the DVL had been experimenting since 1938 with remote-controlled free-falling 250 kg bombs. In 1940, Ruhrstahl was invited to join the development, since they already had experience in the development and production of unguided bombs.
Combat service
The Fritz X was deployed on 29 August 1943. On 9 September 1943 the Luftwaffe achieved their greatest success with the weapon. After the Italian armistice with the Allies, the Italian fleet had steamed out from La Spezia and headed to Malta. To prevent the ships from falling into Allied hands, 12 Dornier Do 217s from the III. Gruppe of KG100 took off; each carrying a single Fritz X. The Italian battleship Roma, the flagship of the Italian fleet, received several hits and sank after her ammunition magazines exploded. 1,455 men, among them Admiral Carlo Bergamini died. Her sister ship Italia was also damaged.
One week later, the Germans scored another three hits with Fritz X on the British battleship Warspite at Salerno. One bomb penetrated six decks before exploding against the bottom of the ship, blowing a large hole in her. The ship took on a total of 5,000 tonnes of water, lost steam (and thus all power, both to the ship herself and to all her systems) but casualties were few. She had to be taken in tow to Malta and then returned to Britain via Gibraltar and was out of action for near 9 months; she was never completely repaired, but returned to action to bombard Normandy for the invasion of Europe.
The control system used for the Fritz-X, known as the Kehl (and also used by the Hs 293 missle), was susceptible to electronic countermeasures - either straightforward jamming, which blocked the control signals from the bomber, or spoofing, in which the missile was given a signal that sent the control surfaces to an extreme position, eg hard left or full down, sending it out of control into a stall or spiralling dive. By the time of the Normandy landings the combination of allied fighters that kept bombers at bay and ship-mounted jammers meant the missiles had no significant effect on the invasion fleet. Some accounts say that the Norwegian destroyer HNoMS Svenner was hit by a Fritz X at dawn, D-Day.
When working properly, the missile was able to pierce more than 20 inches of steel armor plate.
Other ships, which were damaged by the Fritz X included:
the American cruiser USS Philadelphia
the American cruiser USS Savannah
the British cruiser HMS Uganda
the British anti-aircraft cruiser HMS Spartan (sunk)
the British destroyer HMS Janus (sunk)
the military hospital ship HMHS Newfoundland (sunk)
Henschel Hs 293
The Henschel Hs 293 was a World War II German anti-shipping guided missile: a radio-controlled glide bomb with a rocket engine slung underneath it.
History
The Hs 293 project was started in 1940, based on the "Gustav Schwartz Propellerwerke" pure glide bomb that was designed in 1939. The Schwartz design did not have a terminal guidance system - it used an autopilot to maintain a straight course. The intention was that it could be launched from a bomber at sufficient distance to be out of range of anti-aircraft fire. Henschel developed it the following year by adding a rocket motor underneath it to allow it to be used from lower altitude and to increase the range.
Over 1000 were built, from 1942 onwards.
Combat performance
The Hs 293 was intended to destroy unarmoured ships unlike the Fritz X, that was intended for use against armoured ships. The operator controlled the radio-guided missile with a joystick. Five colored flares were attached to the rear of the weapon to make it visible at a distance to the operator. During nighttime operations flashing lights instead of flares were used.
One drawback of the Hs 293 was that, after the missile was launched, the bomber had to fly in a straight and level path, and thus could not manoeuvre to evade attacking fighters.
On August 27, 1943, an Hs 293 was used in the first successful attack by a guided missile, sinking the British sloop HMS Egret. On November 26, 1943 an Hs 293 caused the sinking of the troop transport HMT Rohna killing over 1,000 people.
Although designed for use against ships, it was also used in Normandy in early August 1944 to attack bridges over the River See and River Selume. Only one bridge was slightly damaged but six aircraft were lost.
The Hs 293 was carried on Heinkel He 111, Heinkel He 177, Focke-Wulf Fw 200, Dornier Do 217 planes.
Variants
Hs 293A (later Hs 293A-1), the original version.
Hs 293B was wire-guided to prevent jamming; it was never put into production, because jamming was never serious enough to prevent the radio-guided version from being effective.
Hs 293C (production version designated Hs 293A-2) had a detachable warhead.
Hs 293D was television-guided. Twenty were built and tested, but it was never used operationally as the television equipment was unreliable.
Hs 293E an experimental model to test spoiler controls as a replacement to ailerons; never put into series production. This modification was put into the final version of the Hs 293A-2 but by then the Luftwaffe had no aircraft available for anti-shipping operations and it was never deployed.
Hs 293F a tailless variant; never got further than the design phase.
Hs 293H an experimental variant designed to be launched from one aircraft and controlled from another. Abandoned because allied air superiority had reached the point where it was felt that the second aircraft would be unable to remain in the vicinity of the ship for long enough.
Hs 293V6 designed for launching from the Arado Ar 234 jet bomber at 720 km/h. The main change was reducing the wing span of the missile to allow it to be carried within the aircraft. The missile did not proceed past the design stage.
On the side.... Although often viewed as a last ditch super-weapon, the Me 262 was already being developed as project P.1065 before the start of World War II. Plans were first drawn up in April 1939, and the original design was very similar indeed to the plane that would eventually enter service. The progression of the original design into service was delayed by a lack of funds, as always, as many high-ranking officials thought that the war could easily be won with conventional aircraft, nothing new here, and therefore most of the available government funds were used for the production of other aircraft.
As for the Arado 234, the Arado company stepped up to the plate when In the autumn of 1940 the RLM offered a tender for a jet powered high-speed reconnaissance aircraft with a range of 2,156 km (1,340 miles). Arado was the only company to respond, offering their E.370 project, lead by Professor Walter Blume. The first two prototypes were largely complete before the end of 1941.
As for submarines, didn't the development start on type XXI in 1942?
Whoa, that is scary. Another "Purple Heart Special".
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
It looks like it was made of cardboard with heavy latex paint..............oh god it probably was
Glider
Captain
I have been away and missed the major part of this debate but I think its worth mentioning one fact, that being that the USA were lacking in one major area compared to the British and Germans and that is radar. Without radar the USA would have been at a significant disadvantage in a number of key fields.
Also the USA were far behind in Jet development again putting them at a disadvantage.
One area where the USA did have an advantage was they were one unified country. The EA would have needed a huge amount of co operation to succeed which I do not see happening.
For instance Japanese Naval aircraft were as good as the USA but they would have needed to give these to the RN to make the best use of their carriers.
Germany and the UK would have had to share Radar and Jet technologies and give these freely to the other allies.
German U Boat developments would again have had to be shared with other countries and British Heavy bombers also given to the other allies.
If they did share all this information then the USA would be in trouble but as I said before, this I don't see it happening.
Also the USA were far behind in Jet development again putting them at a disadvantage.
One area where the USA did have an advantage was they were one unified country. The EA would have needed a huge amount of co operation to succeed which I do not see happening.
For instance Japanese Naval aircraft were as good as the USA but they would have needed to give these to the RN to make the best use of their carriers.
Germany and the UK would have had to share Radar and Jet technologies and give these freely to the other allies.
German U Boat developments would again have had to be shared with other countries and British Heavy bombers also given to the other allies.
If they did share all this information then the USA would be in trouble but as I said before, this I don't see it happening.
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
I think that pic should go on the "provide a caption"... thread. 8)
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
I'll put it up in a couple of weeks
102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
it looks like a bathtub turned upside down
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