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Lets be honest, without the Merlin the Mustang would just be another fighter but with it it became a legend. The Allison engined models were great aircraft but so were all the other low altitude planes, it's above 20,000ft were the men were seperated from the boys and where the air war ultimately progressed.
What you really want requires "alternative history" levels of change.
1) RR invite Allison engineers to England to help fix the useless Merlin Mk1 engine ramp head
2) Allison give them the pent-roof chamber and roller-rockers they`ve designed
3) RR pass on test data on high pressure cooling to Allison
4) A collaborative partnership emerges
5) RR, grateful, and Allison receptive - RR call Allison in 1940 to ask if they want "in" on the new 2 stage project
I think you can imagine the rest, this is totally fanciful and utterly against the corporate attitudes of the time
and would never ever have happened. But....
The men were separated form the boys in air combat. The altitude didn't matter and was a random factor of where the two side met while climbing, descending, or cruising.
What matters is the P51 couldn't do it at 34,000ft, the Allison models were good aircraft but the Merlin made the Mustang.The men were separated form the boys in air combat. The altitude didn't matter and was a random factor of where the two side met while climbing, descending, or cruising.
What matters is the P51 couldn't do it at 34,000ft, the Allison models were good aircraft but the Merlin made the Mustang.
They must have known how the air war was going to develope because they both fielded similar high altittude aircraft.I find it amazing, our clarity of events 80 years after the fact.
If they knew then, what we know now, then the Battle of Britain would have been fought with jets...
I am sure these gentlemen, who flew their war primarily between zero feet and 8,000ft between 1939 and 1945 would disagree with you. As would their DSOs with Bars (multiple), DFCs with Bars (multiple), M-i-Ds (multiple), plus numerous other decorations would indicate that the war below 20,000ft in the face of intense anti aircraft fire from light to heavy AA fire that could reach them in that envelope, usually being outnumbered by enemy fighter bouncing' them from a great height whilst "down on the deck", would beg to differ.The Allison engined models were great aircraft but so were all the other low altitude planes, it's above 20,000ft were the men were seperated from the boys and where the air war ultimately progressed.
Bearings is probably the only other major one, Allison bearings were much better than RR ones until something like 1942-ish.Any other aspects where Allison could have helped Rolls-Royce?
Were any V-1710s given to Rolls-Royce for testing during the war? Would Rolls-Royce have pushed the V-1710 harder in testing than Allison was doing at the same time?
The V-1710 was designed to be modular. Could Rolls-Royce have designed a 2 stage system that could have been bolted in place of the regular supercharger?
Maybe take more care with your words.Maybe you all should read what I wrote, the P51 made it's name and built it's reputation escorting bombers to Germany, for that it needed the Merlin, not the Allison, say what you like, that's the reality.
If only DB showed RR how to build fuel injection!What you really want requires "alternative history" levels of change.
1) RR invite Allison engineers to England to help fix the useless Merlin Mk1 engine ramp head
2) Allison give them the pent-roof chamber and roller-rockers they`ve designed
3) RR pass on test data on high pressure cooling to Allison
4) A collaborative partnership emerges
5) RR, grateful, and Allison receptive - RR call Allison in 1940 to ask if they want "in" on the new 2 stage project
I think you can imagine the rest, this is totally fanciful and utterly against the corporate attitudes of the time
and would never ever have happened. But....
A Mustang designed around a Napier Sabre would be a bigger aircraft with a fatter fuselage. Once they made the engine reliable in 1944, it would have been very fast below 20,000ft. Where was the upgrade path to provide high altitude performance in 1943?I'm still shipping the sabre idea because of the fact its 2.2k horsepower and its a 24 h-type design (h patterens are not common ) plus attiude performence , Packard was not making cars neither was licion or mercury so you can liscense the plans to them for the naiper design and have them make while Hawker bulids typhoons and tempest with it . production problem solved .
They had investigated crashed DB601s by the summer of 1940. They knew how to build them. They didn't want to spend the time (labor and machine time) to build the fuel injection system (over 500 parts?) They also didn't want to give up the charge cooling.If only DB showed RR how to build fuel injection!
Cant ask pratt and whitney they didnt make anything that wasnt a raidal at that point .A Mustang designed around a Napier Sabre would be a bigger aircraft with a fatter fuselage. Once they made the engine reliable in 1944, it would have been very fast below 20,000ft. Where was the upgrade path to provide high altitude performance in 1943?
If you are American and you want 2,000HP, you talk to Pratt and Whitney. If you did not do this initially, a few months trying to get the Sabre's sleeve valves working would have changed your mind.
A Sabre engined Hawker Tempest_V was mostly faster than a Mustang below 20,000ft. Perhaps the Tempest_V with its laminar flow wings is your Napier engined Mustang!
Your flogging a dead horse mate, fitting the Sabre into the Mustang is like fitting a 6Ltre V8 into a VW Golf, it won't fit.Cant ask pratt and whitney they didnt make anything that wasnt a raidal at that point .
Your flogging a dead horse mate, fitting the Sabre into the Mustang is like fitting a 6Ltre V8 into a VW Golf, it won't fit.