Farewell and best of luck

[Marcel]

With that said. Sharing the same part of cyberspace with a member that, in my sincere opinion, uses every opportunity to justify the aggression of Nazi Germany is not acceptable to me. The moderator team disagrees with my opinion. Thus I'll log off from the forum.

Good luck to all of you,
Tomislav

I have no idea what you are talking about. Send me a pm?

 

[Marcel]

Tomo - please PM me and give me details, first I'm hearing of this.

AND Please reconsider. You're a valuable member of this forum and one of our top and knowledgeable posters. I really hate to see you move on!

Ah, same idea! I don't know either.

 

[Neil Stirling]

Dear fellow members,

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to learn a lot of stuff that was the ww2 aviation, to figuratively meet people form all walks of life, to broaden my horizons, to point out the good sources of information (and to warn me of bad 'sources'), to make my English language skills better.

With that said. Sharing the same part of cyberspace with a member that, in my sincere opinion, uses every opportunity to justify the aggression of Nazi Germany is not acceptable to me. The moderator team disagrees with my opinion. Thus I'll log off from the forum.

Good luck to all of you,
Tomislav

Tomo,

I can imagine who it was. Don't leave.

Neil.

 

[stona]

When it comes to people like that, the answer is to relentlessly confront them.

I used to think that, but then you become the victim of what the Americans call a 'Gish-Gallop'.
Once upon a time I would engage such people and refute their arguments, now I simply ignore them. They are seeking a reaction as a means to further promote their theories, there is nothing worse, for them, than for the reaction to their post from the body of the forum to be nothing, virtual silence. By acknowledging them you are inadvertently complicit in their efforts to draw attention to and promote their nasty conspiracy. You will just encourage them, like other forms of troll.
The moderators can and should delete them, but that won't stop them trying again. They soon lose interest when ignored.

As for Tomo, I understand how he feels, but sincerely hope he will reconsider. Maybe take a time out, he will always be welcomed back.

 

[Dana Bell]

I missed the original discussion, so I don't know all the details. But my dad was with the 188th Combat Engineers when they took Bergen-Belsen; other units moved on, he stayed as part of the water purification team to help in survivor recovery. I discovered Dad's photos when I was very young and they still haunt me.

I'm always amazed by any argument that the number of death camp victems was exaggerated. They were death camps, designed for one purpose. They numbers don't matter - one murder was too many....

Tomo, if you're still reading here, you're among friends who know the truth.



Dana

 

[special ed]

You are welcome back. Don't retreat. Don't let him win.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I used to think that, but then you become the victim of what the Americans call a 'Gish-Gallop'.
Once upon a time I would engage such people and refute their arguments, now I simply ignore them. They are seeking a reaction as a means to further promote their theories, there is nothing worse, for them, than for the reaction to their post from the body of the forum to be nothing, virtual silence. By acknowledging them you are inadvertently complicit in their efforts to draw attention to and promote their nasty conspiracy. You will just encourage them, like other forms of troll.
The moderators can and should delete them, but that won't stop them trying again. They soon lose interest when ignored.

As for Tomo, I understand how he feels, but sincerely hope he will reconsider. Maybe take a time out, he will always be welcomed back.

There's some truth to what you write here, but at the same time, "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing." Rather than a knock-down drag-out argument, my approach (in those forums which permit the discussion) is to post a short reply laying out the truths we know, and linking to solid information.

I certainly agree that quicksand should be avoided, as should any long conversations.

 

[Glider]

You will be sorely missed for your wisdom not just your knowledge. I am sure that I speak for all when I ask you to make the break a short one

 

[Mainly28s]

While I didn't see the posts (maybe in a thread I wasn't interested in), I feel that anyone who denies the past should be called out. Tomo, don't leave permanently. Take a break, by all means, but come back after.

 

[stona]

There's some truth to what you write here, but at the same time, "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing." Rather than a knock-down drag-out argument, my approach (in those forums which permit the discussion) is to post a short reply laying out the truths we know, and linking to solid information.

I certainly agree that quicksand should be avoided, as should any long conversations.

They are not interested in 'solid information'. If they were they would not be Holocaust deniers, flat earthers, moon landing deniers, believers in chem-trails, etc., etc. They want you to argue with them because it gives them a platform for their views outside the echo chambers in which they usually operate.

Starve them of oxygen, confine them to their echo chambers, don't engage. I learnt the hard way, having expended a lot of time and effort on pointless exchanges.

This is my personal view and of course others are free to react however they see fit. Anyone deciding to take such people on will certainly enjoy my support.

 

[SaparotRob]

It's not flat?

 

[GrauGeist]

With these people, the old saying: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" applies.
These people get a notion in their head and no matter how much solid, irrefutable evidence is place before them, they refuse to accept it, much like trying to get a child to eat steamed Brussels sprouts - it's just not going to happen.

I agree with the above, starve them of attention. Let them go elsewhere to seek the attention they crave - life is too short for that nonsense.

 

[pbehn]

You cannot tell these people anything they dont know already, they just pretend not to, to find out what you know. The guy concerned has an encyclopaedic knowledge of most things but the inconvenient areas are complete black holes. Putting the record straight makes no difference, he will pretend not to know it in the next discussion. He also knows exactly what to say and not to say as if there is any difference between termination camp, extermination camp and concentration camp when discussing a barbed wire enclosure containing 60,000 people with no food, water or sanitation.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Folks - be advised this issue is being looked into. I reached out to Tomo and hopefully he'll be back soon.

 

[GrauGeist]

Folks - be advised this issue is being looked into. I reached out to Tomo and hopefully he'll be back soon.

Thanks, Joe!

 

[stona]

It's not flat?

My bit is!

My back garden has a bit of a slope, hardly surprising given that there is a river less than 100m away, but it is otherwise definitely flat

QED I say, or at least they say.

 

[tomo pauk]

Hello, people,
Moderators have decided to take another look at the issues I've found to be championing of the twisted ideology, and I was contacted by Joe and Chris about that and the actions currently taken. I appreciate their actions, and I'm back to the forum now.
I also greatly appreciate the feedback of other forum members, that have no problem over-rating my feeble knowledge by factor of 10
Thank you again, I do look forward to the future discussions,
Tomislav

 

[pbehn]

Welcome back Tomo.

 

[GrauGeist]

So glad to see ya' back, Tomo!

 

[fubar57]

Welcome back Tomo