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your sorce give reason to Dave, the handbook speed it's around 475 mph...
That is correct - and for a full load of fuel and ammunition and external racks. I wasn't disputing Dave's comment - I was giving him the USAF data for operational P-51H - not NAA data.
The question/doubt raised was whether the P-51H was capable of 487mph and the answer is 'yes' just by removing the fuel tank/bomb racks. There were P-51H racers that achieved nearly 500 mph at SL - but all stripped and light.
The SL speed is 413mph with full load of ammo and internal fuel and an initial climb rate at SL of 5480 fpm with full internal load out.
That is correct - and for a full load of fuel and ammunition and external racks. I wasn't disputing Dave's comment - I was giving him the USAF data for operational P-51H - not NAA data.
The question/doubt raised was whether the P-51H was capable of 487mph and the answer is 'yes' just by removing the fuel tank/bomb racks. There were P-51H racers that achieved nearly 500 mph at SL - but all stripped and light.
The SL speed is 413mph with full load of ammo and internal fuel and an initial climb rate at SL of 5480 fpm with full internal load out.
Vincenzo said:a 1946 test give only a 451 mph at 9544 pounds, P-51H Performance Test
I am extremely hungry with your post . I will be polite in respect of the others readers. I dont care now about D9 ,i disagree with your comments so do the laws of physice but i dont care wright now.
How do you dare to claim that the crime of Dresden shortened the war even by a second?????????????????????
The burning of up to 500000 people , mostly refugees from Silesia , the strafing of fire brigades and ambulances , in a city of no heavy war industry was not an obvious autrocity? And the rail station was undamaged! Why? Because was comitted by alleis? The starvation to death of thousands german prisoners during the last months and the immediate after months of the war wasnt an autrocity? The forcing of prisoners to clear mine fields with bear hands ,the forced labor for years after the war ,was because" war is barbaric, what can we do?" Your Jabos roaring without resistance across germany strafing and bombing villages, cottages, farms , villagers , hospitals, cows ,sheeps, dogs were"" in the heat of the batlle" .B17s after destroying all big cities attacked 10000-20000 thousand population small towns that had not produced not one bullet, "in the heat of the battle"
If is justifiable to machine gun the enemy even when knocked out why was captain Eck , the only U boat commander known to have killed merchant survivors,was executed? And the commander of Wahoo ,the top American Ace who many times machined gunned survivors ,is a hero . Pt boats ,aircrafts, submarines machined gunned survivors, many times under orders, killed japanese at sea. Have you heard of the "LACONIA incident"?With that logic why gestapo executings of prisoners trying to escape was a crime , if they succeded they would fight germans Again (dont get me wrong ,of course i consider it a crime) .
What makes me mad is the diferent criteria of judging things. Crime is a crime, no matter who commeted it. Germany unfortunately along USSR and japan did the gratest Number .And recoghises it. And has paid the price. With the pogroms of populations of her eastern provinces , with the extreme rate of death of her new born children for years after the war due to bad feeding and lack of drugs, . Still she is most responsible
But everyone must admit his errors .Otherwise repeats them in future wars.
Davparir , now i am sitting in a safe chair. Tommorow morning my chair will not be safe at all.
I am sorry if insulted all americans , my problem is with those few that have different criteria of judjing things . For the few thousands who made bad things there is the rest of America who helped all Europe to recover
I am extremely hungry with your post . I will be polite in respect of the others readers. I dont care now about D9 ,i disagree with your comments so do the laws of physice but i dont care wright now.
How do you dare to claim that the crime of Dresden shortened the war even by a second?????????????????????
The burning of up to 500000 people , mostly refugees from Silesia , the strafing of fire brigades and ambulances , in a city of no heavy war industry was not an obvious autrocity? And the rail station was undamaged! Why? Because was comitted by alleis? The starvation to death of thousands german prisoners during the last months and the immediate after months of the war wasnt an autrocity? The forcing of prisoners to clear mine fields with bear hands ,the forced labor for years after the war ,was because" war is barbaric, what can we do?" Your Jabos roaring without resistance across germany strafing and bombing villages, cottages, farms , villagers , hospitals, cows ,sheeps, dogs were"" in the heat of the batlle" .B17s after destroying all big cities attacked 10000-20000 thousand population small towns that had not produced not one bullet, "in the heat of the battle"
If is justifiable to machine gun the enemy even when knocked out why was captain Eck , the only U boat commander known to have killed merchant survivors,was executed? And the commander of Wahoo ,the top American Ace who many times machined gunned survivors ,is a hero . Pt boats ,aircrafts, submarines machined gunned survivors, many times under orders, killed japanese at sea. Have you heard of the "LACONIA incident"?With that logic why gestapo executings of prisoners trying to escape was a crime , if they succeded they would fight germans Again (dont get me wrong ,of course i consider it a crime) .
What makes me mad is the diferent criteria of judging things. Crime is a crime, no matter who commeted it. Germany unfortunately along USSR and japan did the gratest Number .And recoghises it. And has paid the price. With the pogroms of populations of her eastern provinces , with the extreme rate of death of her new born children for years after the war due to bad feeding and lack of drugs, . Still she is most responsible
But everyone must admit his errors .Otherwise repeats them in future wars.
Davparir , now i am sitting in a safe chair. Tommorow morning my chair will not be safe at all.
I am sorry if insulted all americans , my problem is with those few that have different criteria of judjing things . For the few thousands who made bad things there is the rest of America who helped all Europe to recover
I read your very interesting pdf about P51h .I saved it already in my hard disk .However I have a question to ask you. IN the "Mission and Discription" sector it mentions: The structural strength was increased 10% over its predessor" .In one of your earlier posts you told me that -H was designed with 1/2 G ultimate limit lower than -D . Also -D empty weight is 7641 lb . -H empty weight is 7198 lb.
Could you explain ? They managed to strengthened the airframe 10% and at the same time reduce its weight nearly 450 lb? What am i missing? Thank you
And I vote to label you "idiot of the year." Oh wait, that already happened and you're banned too! Geez, who says the mentally diminished can't achieve great things!flyboy,how well are you fluent in german? wandering minds would like to know. give jim a break! i vote to have you replaced as a moderator.
I read your very interesting pdf about P51h .I saved it already in my hard disk .However I have a question to ask you. IN the "Mission and Discription" sector it mentions: The structural strength was increased 10% over its predessor" .In one of your earlier posts you told me that -H was designed with 1/2 G ultimate limit lower than -D . Also -D empty weight is 7641 lb . -H empty weight is 7198 lb.
Could you explain ? They managed to strengthened the airframe 10% and at the same time reduce its weight nearly 450 lb? What am i missing? Thank you
And I vote to label you "idiot of the year." Oh wait, that already happened and you're banned too! Geez, who says the mentally diminished can't achieve great things!
I wondered how long he was gonna last - but I had to remember my first 'airdrop' and our wonderful discussion on Chuck Yeager <grin>.. you and Dan were so wonderfully tolerant of my 'misconceptions'..
He still remains a 'friend' but I am not blinded to his personality charms.
Lol
Yes, I saw that also, and it confused me. It is possible to increase strength and reduce weight by better structual engineering.