Group Build Entries.

[lesofprimus]

Since Ive only seriously attempted to build the 190A-8 and the Panther Tank in the last 20 years, I would assume Im a Class 3 participant...

 

[Matt308]

Your a Class 2, Les. And for the record, Wayne isn't a Class 3 Catch. He's Class 1 buddy.

 

[Matt308]

Can I suggest that to keep the intimidation factor to a minimum for the Class 3 participants that we just keep the build requirements to:

1) Beginning and ending dates for completion.

2) Scale 1/72nd to 1/24th

3) Any German Reich Defense airplane made Out Of Box (OOB). No scratch built parts or modifications other than directly contained in the OOB instruction sheet.

4) Judging shall not be made based upon accuracy of OOB decals/marking, but rather on modeling skill of the kit in question.

My fear is the technical accuracy discussions may steer many interested beginner modelers away (e.g., pages and pages of discussion on proper JG markings, colors, and times can become quite complex). They can learn from the upper Class 2 and Class 1 discussions. Modeling is intimidating enough for a beginner just learning the colors, build and painting techniques.

Just my thoughts, gents.

I would also suggest that we solicit names...SOON of whom is going to participate. Late comers should be welcome.

I'll draft up some rules for folks to edit here in a the next hour. Where's my beer...

 

[Catch22]

Your a Class 2, Les. And for the record, Wayne isn't a Class 3 Catch. He's Class 1 buddy.

There's no possible way he could be good enough to get into Class 1!



And Matt, I agree with what you said. It'll keep it simpler. Perhaps they would be able to change the paint colours if they were completely wrong, but otherwise, I agree.

Should we also perhaps have different categories within the categories, such as in say Class 2: OOB and Class 2: Enhanced?

 

[Lucky13]

As I see it, this is not only a group-build 'competition', but an incentive and tutorial, where modellers on the forum, whatever their skill level, can participate, contribute and gain knowledge/experience/hints/inspiration etc, thereby furthering the enjoyment and sense of achievement whilst at the same time broadening skills and education. Already, the research sparked off has provided valuable historical information that has been shared by all - great stuff!
Perhaps it might be a good idea to have an historical specialist on board? (Don't like the term 'expert' - 'Ex' means 'has been' and 'Spurt' is a drip under pressure!) It could help in adjudication, and in the case of a tie, or split decisions. Of course, I'm thinking of Erich here! If you fancy it that is Erich!?
Again, comments/opinions/views welcomed.
Terry.

That's my thought exactly...what greater way than to build and learn at the same time. These won't just be models to me, but also smaller pieces of history with sometimes a tragic story to tell...pilot and crew or just pilot has been KIA or was and some maybe STILL am MIA. That's one of the reasons that I want to try my fingers on Heinrich Bartels last machine Bf 109G-10 "Yellow 13" W.Nr. 130 359. So far by the small amount that I've found out about him, he loved to dogfight and that he took off on his last flight at 11:00 On 23 December, with his flight and that his wingman was Oberfähnrich Rolf Brand.... Also that he was famous for pranks and drinking, but after getting his Knight's cross, he apparently went a bit too far.
In Petsamo, November 1942:
First he woke up Schuck, and made him drink Cognac, each time pouring the liquor over his new Knight's cross, to "baptize" it. Meanwhile Kurt Dylewski, his inseparable Wingman (also very drunk) started playing the guitar extremely loud and extremely false.
After leaving Schuck (and three empty cognac bottles) Bartels went on a drunken rampage:
First, he tried to steal a truck, but the driver had taken the key. The driver woke up and pulled the drunken Bartels out of the cabin and started beating him up.
After realizing whom he was beating up, the driver panicked and ran into the enlisted quarters, went to bed and pretended to sleep.
Bartels followed him and searched the barracks for the drivers wet boots, finally finding them and promptly beating the crap out of the guy in the bed next to the boots.
The original culprit meanwhile had the upper bed and hid successfully...
After that, Bartels and Dylewski went to the civilian quarters and invaded the billet of the lapland women who were employed in cleaning and washing duties in Petsamo.
He lifted every blanket and each time he shouted (in broad austrian dialect):
"Pfui Teifi, A so a brutaler Wahnsinn, s'stinkt furchtbor noch Kas! Ois Kas, gonz a oiter Kas!"
(roughly translated "wow, it really smells like cheese under here, terrible old cheese!")
The semi-nomadic laplanders had a bit of a strong smell apparently.
Still not ready to call it a night, Bartels went into the stables, and pulled out one of the mules.
He led the mule to the billet of the "Spieß" (Company Sergeant) of his staffel, made it stand halfly on the sleeping man's bed. As Bartels was a Butcher in Civilian life, he knew how to treat animals and the poor mule emptied its bowels over the sleeping Feldwebel, covering him and the entire bed with #%*$#... After that, Bartels finally went to sleep.

Soooo, beside the building I really look forward to learn more about him and other pilots and aircraft and also to gain some experience building!

So how do YOU fit?.....keeping the description simple.....

Category/Class 1 : Experienced Modeller with very good skills.
Category/Class 2 : General Medium level modeller with reasonable skills and good grasp on the basics.
Category/Class 3 : Beginner/Novice Minimal experience and learning the ropes.

I'm deffo a Class 3 after 20+ years away from the front....

 

[Lucky13]

Snooping around I also found this website...Luftwaffe Fighter Pilots Missing In Action - Mainpage

 

[javlin]

I am in for at least one entry probably a 1/32 109 as far as class maybe a good 2.I like the ideal Matt to keep it simple as far as judging.I have over the years got kinda disgusted with trying to fix inaccuracies to please other's qualifications of an a/c.Modeling is suppose to be fun not stressful that's why I mentioned before my 1/72's are just eye candy nothing more just OOB builds.If one wishes to add more,more power to them,I personelly accept the fact that they did the research for such.I think I am ready to bust out of the gate at the "Fairgrounds"

 

[Matt308]

Okay, here is a first cut at the rules to get things started...

I have the original Wurd file if anyone wants it to make modifications. Let me know and I'll PM them. Can't upload any *.doc over 19.5kB otherwise.
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[Heinz]

Great outline Matt.

 

[Airframes]

Think that about covers it Matt. It's clear, concise, and K.I.S.S.!

 

[Matt308]

It was quick and dirty. It needs more work. But the thread process was driving this engineer nuts. I suggest Wayne use this as an outline, correct my mistakes and make proper changes.

Wayne can then post his final version (please change the file name to include a date please to maintain configuration management) and it can be posted in the beginning of this (or the proper submittal) thread.

 

[Matt308]

I'll be out of pocket, gents, all day tomorrow with a college buddy and his family. Won't be back until Monday 29 Dec. Let me know if you need anything else from me. I think Airframes, Lucky and Wayne can handle it from here. Now I can sit back and enjoy the expected wonderful builds.

Might even see if my son, Aaron, wants to enter his Academy 1/72nd Bf-109G. He's got to finish his Tiffy first though.

 

[109ROAMING]

Sounds very understandable

I take it "Airplane subject" means the type of aircraft the participant wants to enter and not what markings its in?

 

[Wayne Little]

Sounds very understandable

I take it "Airplane subject" means the type of aircraft the participant wants to enter and not what markings its in?

Correct!

 

[rochie]

i think that about covers the rules, and i'm fine with them as they stand now.
cant wait for my 109 K-4 to arrive

 

[Wayne Little]

VE-day sounds good
here's my entry in the "beginners class" i'm just doing it out of the box using one of the decal sheets provided, just gotta wait for it to arrive from the shop !

Nice mate! I'm doing the same kit!

You guys want pics of black 16 and red 7...also quoted as Blue 7? for reference?

 

[rochie]

that would be great wayne, thanks

 

[Wayne Little]

No worries mate, will do some scans.....

 

[109ROAMING]

Cheers Wayne! much appreciated Mate

 

[Wayne Little]

Ok .....will go and do it now....back soon!