lesofprimus
Brigadier General
I grew up for many many years with German Sheppards in my house.... Awesome dogs and smart as hell...
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davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
Boy, those are sure ugly dudes you work with! Dogs are good looking, though.
Les.
The Unit photo in Full Dress is easy to remember as to when it was taken.
Graduation Day for the re activation of the Unit after a 5 year hiatus.
Also the Greenpeace Ship (Rainbow Warrior) was sunk in the early hours of that day in Auckland harbour.
My Father, Ex Army, and then still Detective Senior Sergeant with the NZ Police (Retired as SNCO of the Police after 29 years) was the Media Liason Officer for the Police.
Needless to say, a great friend and mentor never made it to my graduation.
However the drinks that went down range about 4 weeks later were a blinder.
That day was the finish of 18 months damn hard work. 14 of them on courses of one nature or another. Each had a tests at least once a week. Each test had a pass mark of 80 %. One failure below 70 % was enough to kiss it all goodbye, no second chances.
The only variation from that rule was practical testing with the dogs, even dogs have bad days and there is just nothing you can do about it.
People talk to me now about being under pressure at their work, in an office and I just about p!ss myself laughing.
The Unit photo in Full Dress is easy to remember as to when it was taken.
Graduation Day for the re activation of the Unit after a 5 year hiatus.
Also the Greenpeace Ship (Rainbow Warrior) was sunk in the early hours of that day in Auckland harbour.
My Father, Ex Army, and then still Detective Senior Sergeant with the NZ Police (Retired as SNCO of the Police after 29 years) was the Media Liason Officer for the Police.
Needless to say, a great friend and mentor never made it to my graduation.
However the drinks that went down range about 4 weeks later were a blinder.
That day was the finish of 18 months damn hard work. 14 of them on courses of one nature or another. Each had a tests at least once a week. Each test had a pass mark of 80 %. One failure below 70 % was enough to kiss it all goodbye, no second chances.
The only variation from that rule was practical testing with the dogs, even dogs have bad days and there is just nothing you can do about it.
People talk to me now about being under pressure at their work, in an office and I just about p!ss myself laughing.
P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
P38 - that's the most intelligent thing you've said! Now we just need to get you to start thinking about your future in the USMC, not the Army
The one thing about the army's new cammies is how the front pockets are slanted on an angle like ours, but their name tapes are parallel to the deck... looks so awkward to me... maybe just because I'm used to ours though.
Sorry, Army all the way!
I like how the Army's ACUs are designed, I just wish the Army had a good woodland pattern. But, I like the ACUs and wish we could get some In JROTC. (Army JROTC by the way.
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JROTC will basically allways have hand me downs from the Army. Some day you sould get ACUs then.
P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
Yeah. I still like the BDUs but the ACUs look awesome! I plan on going to basic training when I turn 17.
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You have fun with that. Are you parents going to allow you to go. You cant go with out there permission until you are 18.
Just to chuck in my two-pennyworth - ACUs are this US digital camouflage, right? Supposed to be the all-terrains solution to not being seen?
Sorry, but I don't believe it! I've tried out a variety of camo types in a variety of situations, and not one is going to work well under all conditions.
The best I've found for Europe and 'wet' tropical zones is British DPM - also used by New Zealand, so look at K9Kiwi's pics if you want to see more - although the early stuff had a sand coloured base which was too pale at night. Modern DPM is slightly darker, and avoids this. DPM has the edge because of the relatively high contrasts between the colours - more so than US Woodland or French CE - and the slightly smaller size of the blotches, again compared to the above. It is, as its name states, disruptive, not mimetic. French 'old pattern' lizard/tiger cam can be useful in wet tropical areas, but I prefer DPM for it's superior disruptive ability.
German cam, on the other hand, is mimetic, and from a distance, it loses the ability to break up outlines and shapes because of the excessive similarity between the tones of the colours. Also, as it is essentially green-based, it is OK for Northern Europe, but not brilliant in, say, Greece. ACUs risk falling into the same trap, even though the base colour seems to be dusty earth, rather than green. Compare with East German raindrop cam - they might as well never have bothered.
For grasslands, veldt, etc, Rhodesian cam is miles ahead of anybody else's, although again, you have to take care at night if you've washed it too often! Here I have no idea how it behaves in night vision/infra-red, etc, as I didn't have the chance to test it.
For desert cam, it all depends on what the desert looks like! In desert as in North Africa (Rommel's home), the same cam will not work as in, say Afghanistan, or Iraq. For North Africa, it's my guess that old KD (Khaki Drill, ie, traditional sand coloured, single-colour cotton uniform) will work as well as anything!
If you want my opinion, stay with two or three different types. Just make sure stocks are on hand when needed...
Sorry, but I don't believe it! I've tried out a variety of camo types in a variety of situations, and not one is going to work well under all conditions.
The best I've found for Europe and 'wet' tropical zones is British DPM - also used by New Zealand, so look at K9Kiwi's pics if you want to see more - although the early stuff had a sand coloured base which was too pale at night. Modern DPM is slightly darker, and avoids this. DPM has the edge because of the relatively high contrasts between the colours - more so than US Woodland or French CE - and the slightly smaller size of the blotches, again compared to the above. It is, as its name states, disruptive, not mimetic. French 'old pattern' lizard/tiger cam can be useful in wet tropical areas, but I prefer DPM for it's superior disruptive ability.
German cam, on the other hand, is mimetic, and from a distance, it loses the ability to break up outlines and shapes because of the excessive similarity between the tones of the colours. Also, as it is essentially green-based, it is OK for Northern Europe, but not brilliant in, say, Greece. ACUs risk falling into the same trap, even though the base colour seems to be dusty earth, rather than green. Compare with East German raindrop cam - they might as well never have bothered.
For grasslands, veldt, etc, Rhodesian cam is miles ahead of anybody else's, although again, you have to take care at night if you've washed it too often! Here I have no idea how it behaves in night vision/infra-red, etc, as I didn't have the chance to test it.
For desert cam, it all depends on what the desert looks like! In desert as in North Africa (Rommel's home), the same cam will not work as in, say Afghanistan, or Iraq. For North Africa, it's my guess that old KD (Khaki Drill, ie, traditional sand coloured, single-colour cotton uniform) will work as well as anything!
If you want my opinion, stay with two or three different types. Just make sure stocks are on hand when needed...
evangilder
"Shooter"
Obviously one camouflage doesn't do it all, that is why there are different ones. Digital camouflage comes in several different color schemes.
The official ACU is like the old utility uniform, and even the Army says it isn't 100% for all locations, but a good balance for all. My old utility uniform issued in basic was one color, olive drab. Might work ok in Europe, but obviously not for the Middle East or Arctic conditions. This will give the forces a utility uniform that can be used in different theaters with some degree of effectiveness. Besides, NO camouflage makes you invisible anyway.
The official ACU is like the old utility uniform, and even the Army says it isn't 100% for all locations, but a good balance for all. My old utility uniform issued in basic was one color, olive drab. Might work ok in Europe, but obviously not for the Middle East or Arctic conditions. This will give the forces a utility uniform that can be used in different theaters with some degree of effectiveness. Besides, NO camouflage makes you invisible anyway.
P38 Pilot
Tech Sergeant
They wont allow me to go Active Duty, but would allow me to go National Guard or Reserves. I might go National Guard.
Evanglider, no camouflage makes you 100% invisible, but I've had people walk past me only ten feet away and not see me, when there was no serious cover other than longish grass, etc! With a uniform that does not break up your shape well enough, that does not happen - so back to my comment about colout similarities being dangerous.
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No but it is good for the areas that we are fighting in the most. Obviously it is not that good for environments like Europe.
ndicki said:
It is actually more brown based than green. I have several pairs that I traded my uniforms with German soldiers for.
As for environments like Greece and other rocky areas such as Afganistan the German uniform is even more brown based with tan and other lighter brown colors. I have included a picture of the german tropical/desert uniform.
ndicki said:
For Iraq the new US ACU has been found to be the best type there is. The desert in Iraq is not just brown but light shades of grey and green the new ACU actually allows you to blend in the best there. Studies were done and found that to be the best combination.
That is why the Army went to that pattern because that is where we are fighting now and where future conflicts are likely to occur.
ndicki said:
Now that I agree with. I had several different uniforms. I had my woodland BDU's, my DCUs (Desert Combat Uniform), my Green Nomex Flight Suit, my woodland ABDUs (Aviation BDU's/basically a 2 piece flight suit that looks like BDUs but made out of Nomex for use with flight crews), and my Brown desert Flight Suit.
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Besides the US Army ACUs are going to phased out soon anyhow. I cant remember the name of the new army system that is coming out but it is allready being combat tested in Iraq and Afganistan by Spec Op troops and it is a new uniform that heats you when it is cold, cools you down when it is hot, is water proof and changes colors based off of your surroundings.
This is supposed to be fielded within the next 5 to 10 years.
This is supposed to be fielded within the next 5 to 10 years.
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Would not surprise me.
It has built in armoured protection and is very light weight. The helmet has complete coverage of the face and you can communicate with your other soldiers and commanders. It also has built in GPS and maps built into the visor.
It is being tested as we speek. They demonstrated it at the Land Combat Expo over here at one of our military posts in Germany.
It has built in armoured protection and is very light weight. The helmet has complete coverage of the face and you can communicate with your other soldiers and commanders. It also has built in GPS and maps built into the visor.
It is being tested as we speek. They demonstrated it at the Land Combat Expo over here at one of our military posts in Germany.
mkloby
Master Sergeant
I can't imagine how much that uniform must cost to manufacture on large scale. I haven't even heard of that uniform yet. They plan on outfitting troops army wide with it, or just spec ops? I just wish the army's new digis had the name tapes slanted and aligned with the pockets, not parallel to the deck.
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It is called the Future Warrior system. It is currently being tested though by Spec Ops and will by 2025 be in use Army wide. I saw it at the Army's Land Combat Expo in Heidelberg, Germany. It is a NATO Expo held each year at the US Army military post there.
Here is an artical on it:
Jul 30 2004
WASHINGTON -- The Army's future soldier will resemble something out of a science fiction movie, members of Congress witnessed at a demonstration on Capitol Hill July 23.
The newest concepts for lightweight, lethal uniform systems to be worn by the future soldiers in battle were displayed at the Russell Senate Building here.
Two uniform systems are under development. The Future Force Warrior system will be available for fielding to soldiers in 2010. The Vision 2020 Future Warrior system, which will follow on the concept of the 2010 Future Force Warrior system, is scheduled to be ready 10 years later.
The two new uniform systems are being developed under the Future Combat System Program. "This Army initiative will develop and demonstrate revolutionary capabilities for the future soldiers in battle," said Jean-Louis "Dutch" DeGay, a Soldier Systems Center representative.
The new systems include a weapon, head-to-toe individual protection, onboard computer network, soldier-worn power sources, and enhanced human performance.
"The Future Force Warrior will be a responsive and formidable member of an invincible battle space team," DeGay explained, describing the system scheduled to be fielded by 2010.
"The 2010 Future Force Warrior system will meet the more immediate, short-term demands of our fighting warriors in the battle space, while the 2020 model will remind you of an ominous creature out of a science fiction movie," DeGay said. He added that the system will leverage all the technologies and lessons learned from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Soldiers deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq carry large amounts of external weight, often 120 pounds or more, to be battle-ready. DeGay said the new uniform system -- from head to toe -- weighs 50 pounds.
The body armor of the new uniforms will absorb the shock of a bullet much better than current bulletproof vests. "The hard body armor has been stood off of the body by 2½ to 3 inches, so when the soldier is shot, the force is more evenly distributed to decrease injuries such as broken ribs," DeGay described.
Soldiers will be able to chat online with each other while they are walking down a jungle trail. The new system has the ability for each soldier to be tied into tactical local and wide-area networks with an onboard computer that sits at the base of the soldier's back. "We essentially call the 2010 soldier an 'F- 16 on legs' because it gives the soldier the same capabilities as they would normally have on aircraft and other platforms," DeGay explained. The F-16 is an Air Force fighter jet.
Soldiers will also be able to share data with vehicles, aircraft and other individual soldiers. "If an Apache helicopter was deployed forward and recorded real-time video of the enemy, the helicopter can send the video back to an individual soldier to observe," he said, with obvious enthusiasm and excitement for the new uniform system.
As has been seen in science-fiction movies, a dropdown piece of eyewear from the helmet allows the soldier to see a 17-inch computer screen displaying anything relayed to the soldier. "This eyewear device is see-through, so it hangs out in space," DeGay said. This allows soldiers to take in all supporting data while keeping both hands on their weapons.
Soldiers wearing the new system will have no need for an external microphone to communicate. "The helmet has sensors that register vibrations of the cranial cavity so I don't have to have a microphone in my mouth. That allows the soldier to control the entire computer via voice-activation," DeGay explained. Soldiers will be able to cycle through onboard menus via their eyewear device.
The onboard computer will monitor soldiers' overall physiological picture of how they are performing in the battle zone. "Warrior Physiological Status Monitoring System gives the soldier's body core temperature, skin temperature, heart rate, whether the soldier is standing or prone, and how much water the soldier has drunk," DeGay said.
A medic, who can be miles away, will now be able to diagnose and treat a soldier who is about to have sunstroke, without even physically seeing the soldier. "So a medic can see how the soldier's core body temperature is rising (and) heart rate is falling, and the soldier then knows to go directly to the medic for treatment," DeGay said. "The computer will drop down a map to direct the soldier where to find the medic for help."
He pointed out that with the new system commanders will be able to consider each soldier, aircraft and vehicle as part of a node of a tactical network that shares data with each other, sending and receiving data inside the battle space.
The second uniform system, the Vision 2020 Future Warrior concept, will follow the 2010 Future Force Warrior with more advanced nanotechnology.
Nanotechnology deals with the creation of incredibly small materials, devices or systems with a scaled-down size of 100 nanometers or less. A nanometer is a metric measurement equivalent to one billionth of a meter.
"If we were in Detroit, the 2020 Future Warrior system would be the concept car. It leverages a lot of the nano-work being done by the Massachusetts Institute for Technology," DeGay said, noting the Army just awarded MIT a five- year, $50 million program to establish the Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies.
Think about a good action movie that shows an average person walking down a street with a nice designer suit. All of a sudden, gunshots are heard and just before a bullet hits this person, his soft fabric suit transforms into an incredible display of alien armor that deflects bullets. If Natick engineers are successful, this movie will become a reality in the future U.S. Army.
"What we hope to gain from this program is body armor that wears like a traditional textile impregnated with nanomachines connected to an onboard computer, DeGay explained. "So when you shoot a round into the uniform system, it's normally pliable until it senses the strike of a round -- it becomes rigid, defeats the strike of the round and becomes soft again."
A shortcoming of traditional body armor is that it can only absorb so many strikes from machine-gun rounds. "When you have a uniform with this new nanotechnology, it can absorb unlimited numbers of machine-gun rounds," DeGay pointed out.
Another potential development is inserting "nanomuscle fibers" that can actually simulate muscles, giving soldiers more strength. Fabric is impregnated with nanomachines that create the same weight, lift and feel as a muscle. "So I coat the outside of the armor with a nanomuscle fiber that gives me 25 to 35 percent better lifting capability," DeGay explained.
The uniform from the waist down will have a robotic-powered system that is connected directly to the soldier. This system could use pistons to actually replicate the lower body, giving the soldier "upwards of about 300 percent greater lifting and load-carriage capability," DeGay said. "We are looking at potentially mounting a weapon directly to the uniform system and now the soldier becomes a walking gun platform."
The Future Force Warrior is the Army's short-term change, with a complete rebuild of the soldier from skin out being planned through the Future Warrior system. "We are already starting to look at the 2020 Future Warrior concept, which is integrating stuff that is just starting to show promise in the lab," DeGay concluded. He said researchers hope to see this developing technology mature in the next 15 to 20 years. "Future Warrior is a visionary concept of how the individual warrior may be equipped in the 2015-2020 timeframe," he said.
Future Warrior -- The Army's Future Combat System
Here is an artical on it:
Jul 30 2004
WASHINGTON -- The Army's future soldier will resemble something out of a science fiction movie, members of Congress witnessed at a demonstration on Capitol Hill July 23.
The newest concepts for lightweight, lethal uniform systems to be worn by the future soldiers in battle were displayed at the Russell Senate Building here.
Two uniform systems are under development. The Future Force Warrior system will be available for fielding to soldiers in 2010. The Vision 2020 Future Warrior system, which will follow on the concept of the 2010 Future Force Warrior system, is scheduled to be ready 10 years later.
The two new uniform systems are being developed under the Future Combat System Program. "This Army initiative will develop and demonstrate revolutionary capabilities for the future soldiers in battle," said Jean-Louis "Dutch" DeGay, a Soldier Systems Center representative.
The new systems include a weapon, head-to-toe individual protection, onboard computer network, soldier-worn power sources, and enhanced human performance.
"The Future Force Warrior will be a responsive and formidable member of an invincible battle space team," DeGay explained, describing the system scheduled to be fielded by 2010.
"The 2010 Future Force Warrior system will meet the more immediate, short-term demands of our fighting warriors in the battle space, while the 2020 model will remind you of an ominous creature out of a science fiction movie," DeGay said. He added that the system will leverage all the technologies and lessons learned from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Soldiers deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq carry large amounts of external weight, often 120 pounds or more, to be battle-ready. DeGay said the new uniform system -- from head to toe -- weighs 50 pounds.
The body armor of the new uniforms will absorb the shock of a bullet much better than current bulletproof vests. "The hard body armor has been stood off of the body by 2½ to 3 inches, so when the soldier is shot, the force is more evenly distributed to decrease injuries such as broken ribs," DeGay described.
Soldiers will be able to chat online with each other while they are walking down a jungle trail. The new system has the ability for each soldier to be tied into tactical local and wide-area networks with an onboard computer that sits at the base of the soldier's back. "We essentially call the 2010 soldier an 'F- 16 on legs' because it gives the soldier the same capabilities as they would normally have on aircraft and other platforms," DeGay explained. The F-16 is an Air Force fighter jet.
Soldiers will also be able to share data with vehicles, aircraft and other individual soldiers. "If an Apache helicopter was deployed forward and recorded real-time video of the enemy, the helicopter can send the video back to an individual soldier to observe," he said, with obvious enthusiasm and excitement for the new uniform system.
As has been seen in science-fiction movies, a dropdown piece of eyewear from the helmet allows the soldier to see a 17-inch computer screen displaying anything relayed to the soldier. "This eyewear device is see-through, so it hangs out in space," DeGay said. This allows soldiers to take in all supporting data while keeping both hands on their weapons.
Soldiers wearing the new system will have no need for an external microphone to communicate. "The helmet has sensors that register vibrations of the cranial cavity so I don't have to have a microphone in my mouth. That allows the soldier to control the entire computer via voice-activation," DeGay explained. Soldiers will be able to cycle through onboard menus via their eyewear device.
The onboard computer will monitor soldiers' overall physiological picture of how they are performing in the battle zone. "Warrior Physiological Status Monitoring System gives the soldier's body core temperature, skin temperature, heart rate, whether the soldier is standing or prone, and how much water the soldier has drunk," DeGay said.
A medic, who can be miles away, will now be able to diagnose and treat a soldier who is about to have sunstroke, without even physically seeing the soldier. "So a medic can see how the soldier's core body temperature is rising (and) heart rate is falling, and the soldier then knows to go directly to the medic for treatment," DeGay said. "The computer will drop down a map to direct the soldier where to find the medic for help."
He pointed out that with the new system commanders will be able to consider each soldier, aircraft and vehicle as part of a node of a tactical network that shares data with each other, sending and receiving data inside the battle space.
The second uniform system, the Vision 2020 Future Warrior concept, will follow the 2010 Future Force Warrior with more advanced nanotechnology.
Nanotechnology deals with the creation of incredibly small materials, devices or systems with a scaled-down size of 100 nanometers or less. A nanometer is a metric measurement equivalent to one billionth of a meter.
"If we were in Detroit, the 2020 Future Warrior system would be the concept car. It leverages a lot of the nano-work being done by the Massachusetts Institute for Technology," DeGay said, noting the Army just awarded MIT a five- year, $50 million program to establish the Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies.
Think about a good action movie that shows an average person walking down a street with a nice designer suit. All of a sudden, gunshots are heard and just before a bullet hits this person, his soft fabric suit transforms into an incredible display of alien armor that deflects bullets. If Natick engineers are successful, this movie will become a reality in the future U.S. Army.
"What we hope to gain from this program is body armor that wears like a traditional textile impregnated with nanomachines connected to an onboard computer, DeGay explained. "So when you shoot a round into the uniform system, it's normally pliable until it senses the strike of a round -- it becomes rigid, defeats the strike of the round and becomes soft again."
A shortcoming of traditional body armor is that it can only absorb so many strikes from machine-gun rounds. "When you have a uniform with this new nanotechnology, it can absorb unlimited numbers of machine-gun rounds," DeGay pointed out.
Another potential development is inserting "nanomuscle fibers" that can actually simulate muscles, giving soldiers more strength. Fabric is impregnated with nanomachines that create the same weight, lift and feel as a muscle. "So I coat the outside of the armor with a nanomuscle fiber that gives me 25 to 35 percent better lifting capability," DeGay explained.
The uniform from the waist down will have a robotic-powered system that is connected directly to the soldier. This system could use pistons to actually replicate the lower body, giving the soldier "upwards of about 300 percent greater lifting and load-carriage capability," DeGay said. "We are looking at potentially mounting a weapon directly to the uniform system and now the soldier becomes a walking gun platform."
The Future Force Warrior is the Army's short-term change, with a complete rebuild of the soldier from skin out being planned through the Future Warrior system. "We are already starting to look at the 2020 Future Warrior concept, which is integrating stuff that is just starting to show promise in the lab," DeGay concluded. He said researchers hope to see this developing technology mature in the next 15 to 20 years. "Future Warrior is a visionary concept of how the individual warrior may be equipped in the 2015-2020 timeframe," he said.
Future Warrior -- The Army's Future Combat System
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Try wearing that lot tracking terrs in the bush or something! Grief! Might be useful in an all-out war, but I'm going to take some convincing that loading people down with tons of technology is going somehow to make them into super-soldiers. Admittedly, some of the kit may prove useful now and again, but don't you already feel just a little bit overloaded? There's a limit to how much stuff you can carry round...
Of course, I was a real infantryman, and carried all my kit around with me. Vehicles? No, what for? They draw attention to you...
Of course, I was a real infantryman, and carried all my kit around with me. Vehicles? No, what for? They draw attention to you...
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Did you read the artical at all?
It talks about how the hole kit and everything you need weighs 50lb. Thats less than what the infantryman carry around today...
Like I said I saw the whole kit at the Combat Expo last year and it is fricken amazing and going to make the soldiers abilites even better.
ndicki said:
I was a "real" aviator, and carried all my **** to a gator with which I drove all my stuff to my helicopter and then let it fly my stuff around for me.
Not my fault you signed up to be a grunt. Everytime we saw "Real" Infantryman they would complain about how we dont carry **** around and how we are not "Real" Soldiers. They allways said that until we came to pick them up off the battlefield or gave them support from the air and then we were the greatest thing since bread and butter for them. They chose to be grunts not me.
Sure, the kit weights 50lbs - so where's the several days worth of food and (more importantly) water, just for starters? And the tells-the-medic-how-you're-feeling kit is supposed to work when you're off in the goodness knows where with the terrs and baddies all round, etc? We just stop the game and slope off to the RAP for a check-up? Like I said, fine for a high-tech mech war, but as far as I can see, we're not fighting those at the moment, or even for the foreseeable future. We need to be doing foot patrolling, recce, hard fast combined arms strikes, etc... Terminator warfare isn't going to do the job. It might be useful when you do get a contact, but it isn't going to help you set that contact up. That requires lots of skillful, sneaky-beaky stuff which Terminator there is not designed for. Just my two-pennyworth. In my experience, the more high-tech stuff you've got, the more stuff there is to go wrong just when you need it. And if you always train WITH the stuff, then when it gives up the ghost, as it inevitably will, then you're going to find yourself in situations you are not adequately trained for. Don't forget this junk will have been made to minimal specs by the lowest bidder, and will have been issued to half-as-dozen probably clueless troopies before they give it to you...
Who heard me complaining about being an infantryman? The only thing to be! Everything else is just support...
Who heard me complaining about being an infantryman? The only thing to be! Everything else is just support...
