Testors 1/48 P-47D-5 Thunderbolt

Airframes · Jun 12, 2010

Make it from a piece of clear plastic sheet, about half to one millimetre thick. If you haven't got any, a suitable piece of clear packaging will do, but i'll put a piece in with the other parts.
I've just noticed something. The armoured bulkhead with the headrest in the cockpit set is designed for the bubbletop P47 from what I can see. You'll have to adapt this by cutting off the top, level with the kit rear bulkhead, where the canopy goes. Don't do anything until you see the pics/drawings I'll post, and if you can post a shot of it from the side, that will help.

B-17engineer · Jun 12, 2010

Alright, I'm sure I have it somewhere.

As for the headrest, I'll wait for you and work on my B-26 or something

Airframes · Jun 12, 2010

OK, no probs.

Airframes · Jun 12, 2010

Here you go H. I'm having a temporary connection problem with my scanner at the moment, and for some reason the pics I want to print to PDF from a book on the PC are transfering, but not showing! So, quick solution, photograph the screen and a model!
The model is over thirty years old, very dusty, and rather battered! It's the old Revell 1/32nd scale Razorback, which could be a lot better - sort of lost interest and just finished it, with a view to improving sometime. Yeah, right!
The first three pics are shots taken off the PC screen, from Squadron's P47 Walk About. Sorry for the quality.
The next two are the battered old model, showing the bulkhead and head rest, and an external view of the armoured screen, behind the pointed windscreen.
Final pic is a drawing of the screen, again from the Walk Around book.

B-17engineer · Jun 12, 2010

Thanks T!

Still confused as to the seat? What do I have to do with the headrest? I have to go out tonight but when I get back I'm probably going to go work with the seat next. Should the screen and gunsight go on after the model is painted and put on before the canopy goes on.

Airframes · Jun 12, 2010

Yes, fit the screen and gunsight, then the pointed windscreen (when you get it from me!), preferably after painting - makes masking easier. I need to see a front and side shot of the seat bulkhead and head rest. If the head rest armour is angled forward, then it's for a 'bubbletop', and needs to be cut off, and re-modelled to be 'flat' against the upper fuselage spine, as in the pic I posted. You might need to make a new one from card or plastic card, unless the kit fuselage has one already.

B-17engineer · Jun 12, 2010

Ok first question, when I add the razorback part do I line the panle up with the new arch or do I keep it where it was before?

The the last 2 are your shots.

FItting is gonna be a nightmare I can already tell from the dry fit......

Airframes · Jun 12, 2010

OK, first things first. The seat bulkhead appears to be the correct one for a razorback, so that's good. BUT ! It looks like you might have fitted it leaning slightly to the left, when viewed from the front, although it might just be the camera angle/ wide lens making it look like that. Check it, as it'll need to line up perfectly with the leading edge of the rear of the razorback.
Next, if you mean by 'arch' the forward end of the cockpit of the razorback, where it goes over the instrument panel, then yes, line up on there. But you'll need to either hollow out that 'dish', and add frames, or build it up to form the coaming, like in the pics I posted.
Finally, where the rear openings are, in the side of the razorback, immediately behind where the seat and bulkhead go, should have concave 'walls', as you can just about see in the oic of my old model. If the kit doesn't provide parts for these, just fit some card, inside the fuselage, to blank them off, lining up with the seat bulkhead. Now you know why that has to be straight and 'square', otherwise nothing will line up, and the canopy won't fit, open or closed!
Hope this makes sense.
I don't think fitting the razor will be too bad, although you'll probably need some filler along the joints. Just ensure this is smoothly filled and sanded flush, with no lumps or bumps to give away the joint!

B-17engineer · Jun 12, 2010

Alright, so, I'm making framing BEHIND where the rear bulkhead goes.

Wait I understand, the armor has to line up with the fuselage. And to get the panel to line up I need to sand it out and add the framing there. To fit around the panel I suppose?

The where are the rear openings?

My apologies Terry if I'm wasting ur time

T Bolt · Jun 12, 2010

Here's a couple of things that might help out. hope its not too late, I was out all day. The cutaway is the drawing I used to set up the alignment of my 1:1 cockpit and everything worked out real nice.

B-17engineer · Jun 12, 2010

Thanks Glenn i am still having a hard time figuring out what I do. Do I sand the area that sits above the panel and then what. Also I just have to align the seat? Thanks

T Bolt · Jun 12, 2010

Harrison I have a look thru my pictures and see what I have for a razor back dash. Most of my stuff id for the bubbletop but I know I have some stuff for yours there too. Be back in a few

T Bolt · Jun 12, 2010

Here's all I have Harrison I'm not really clear on what problem you're having but I hope these will help.

B-17engineer · Jun 12, 2010

Thanks Glenn I will take a closer look when I get home. I just want some clarification on a few things from what T told me

B-17engineer · Jun 13, 2010

Ok so today what I decided to do was figure out the issue of the machine guns. I was thinking of doing stretched spure BUT our kitchen is still getting worked on and I don't have many other places so what I decided to do was some searching.

What a better place to get .50s than a half built....fully butchered B-17?

So I took all the guns from there and drilled out the barrels with my pin vice, found the postitions of a gun on a P-47 and added them. if there are only 3 guns on this model I can sand one of the .50s down to plug the hole which will be very helpful.

PIC 1: My new gun barrels....

PIC 2: Testors excuse for a gun barrel.

B-17engineer · Jun 13, 2010

Ok, now I have to figure out which gun sight to use, the resin set offers 3 different version.....ah.....

Found this:

http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/91907.aspx

T Bolt · Jun 13, 2010

Harrison, The guns of the P-47 angle downward in relationship to the wings, and to a lessor extent to the fuselage due to the attitude of the aircraft in flight. You can compare the guns in the first photo to the panel lines on the fuselage and see how much they angle downward. Also in the second picture the blast tubes of the guns exit the wing slightly above the centerline of the wing. and not quite parallel to the centerline with the inboard gun slightly higher than the outboard gun.

If you plan to do some detailing in the landing gear or wheel wells let me know as I have some detail shots that could help, and get them to you before you actually start on it

dirkpitt289 · Jun 13, 2010

B-17engineer said:
What a better place to get .50s than a half built....fully butchered B-17?

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???

Is this the same B-17 from the Heavy Hitters GB? If so what happened to it?

B-17engineer · Jun 13, 2010

Thanks a bunch Glenn! Will go fix that

YEs, I just couldn't finish it. No worries, there is another 1/48 B-17 in the stash.

Glenn, if you could post those pictures of the bays it will help a bunch!

Airframes · Jun 13, 2010

First Harrison, remember the guns did not have the perforated cooling jackets, as on the free-mounted B17 Brownings. The barrels were inserted into stainless steel blast tubes, as shown in Glenn's pic.
Second, I don't know which gun sights you have, but it will NOT be the K14 computing sight, as this did not reach the first units (with P51D's) until early August 1944, in general, and later to P47 units. For the period of your model, it should be the MkII (equivalent) reflector sight.
Here's another pic of the blast tubes, and a couple to be going on with of the landing gear etc.
Send me an e-mail if you're stuck on the other parts we talked about, with as much detail as possible. I'll reply with the solution, and sketches where needed.

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