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cheddar cheese
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I like the F...all that armour 
The Best Fw-190 Variant...?
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KraziKanuK
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cheddar cheese said:
A-5/U14 was the first to try a torp. This was Wk.N. 871, TD+SI.
The designations F-8/R14 and F-16/R14 were the Fs that could carry a torp.
None were used operationally.
Dive bomber? Not in the same sense as a Ju 87.
Would you call a Spit IX a dive bomber since it dived at a 60* angle?
edit: corrected spelling
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cheddar cheese
Major General
Yeah sorry I didnt mean dive bomber...Ground Attack...
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
A collection of FW-190A-6/7/8 gumcameras, attacking figthers and Bombers.
Performance wise the Dora would outfly a A. The A-9 however had the largest punch I believe.
the lancaster kicks ass
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yes and looked far better...........
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cheddar cheese
Major General
Dude you wanna go into looks go find the thread that discusses it...keep it outta here
The Dora was much better then the A here is some statistical things about it (though stats dont tell everything)
Type: Fighter Fighter/Bomber
Origin: Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau Gmbh.
Models: D series
First Flight: Late 1942
Final Delivery: N/A
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Engine:
Model: Junkers Jumo 213A-1
Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One
Horsepower: 1,776 hp (2,240 hp Emergency Boost)
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Dimensions:
Wing span: 34 ft. 5½ in. (10.50m)
Wing Surface Area: 196.99 Sq. Ft. (18.30m²)
Length: 33 ft. 5¼ in. (10.2m)
Height: 11 ft. 0¼ in. (3.35m)
Weights:
Empty: 3,500 kg (7,720 lbs.)
Loaded: 4,840 kg (10,670 lbs.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 440mph (704km/h)
Cruise Speed: N/A
Range: 560 miles (900km)
Initial Climb: 3,300 ft. (1000m) Per Minute
Endurance: N/A
Service Ceiling: 32,810 ft. (10,000m)
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Armament:
Two 13mm MG 131 above engine
Two 20mm MG 151/20 in wing roots
Bomb Load:
One 1,100 lb. (500 kg) bomb on centerline.
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Comments:
The Dora 9 went into production in the Autumn of 1944. The mating of a bomber engine to a fighter airframe resulted in an extremely fast aircraft. Later the D-models were redesignated the Ta 152.
Type: Ground Attack/close support fighter-bomber
Origin: Focke Wulf
First Flight:
Fw 190V1: June 1, 1939
Production Fw 190A-1: September 1940
Fw 190A-8/U11: January 23, 1944
Service Delivery:
Fw 190A-3: Autumn, 1941
Fw 190A-4: Summer, 1942
Fw 190A-5: Early 1943
Fw 190A-6: June 1943
Fw 190A-7: December 1943
Production: N/A (20,000+ for all Types)
SNCAC (France) built 64 Fw 190A-8s as the NC.900 in 1945.
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Engine:
Fw 190A-1:
Model: BMW 801C-1
Type: 14-cylinder air cooled, twin-row radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,660 hp
Fw 190A-3:
Model: BMW 801Dg
Type: 14-cylinder air cooled, twin-row radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,800 hp
Fw 190A-4 Fw 190A-8/F-8:
Model: BMW 801D-2
Type: 14-cylinder air cooled, twin-row radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,730 hp at take-off*
*With MW50 water/Methanol injection could produce
2,100 hp for short periods.
Propeller Unit:
Fw 190A-8/F-8:
Type: VDM 9-12176A three blade, constant speed
Diameter: 3,300mm (10 ft. 11¾ in.)
Fuel: Fw 190A-8/F-8
Capacity: 140 U.S. Gallons (530 liters)
Type: N/A
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Dimensions:
Wing span: 10.5m (34 ft. 5½ in.)
Wing Surface Area: 18.3 sq. m (197 sq. ft.)
Length: 9.00m (29 ft. 6 in.)
Height: 3.96m (13ft.)
Stabilizer Span: 3,650mm (11 ft. 11¾ in.)
Wheel Track: 3,500mm (11 ft. 5¾ in.)
Weights:
Empty: 3,060kg (6,750 lbs.)
Gross: 4,865kg (10,725 lbs.)
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Performance:
Maximum Speed:
Fw 190A-4: 416 mph at 21,000 ft (With MW50)
Fw 190A-8/F-8: 400 mph at 22,000 ft
Range (Maximum Fuel): 1,370km (850 miles)
Range (Maximum Bomb Load): 610km (380 miles)
Climb to altitude: 9.35 Minutes to 6,100m (20,000 ft.)
Endurance:
2 Hours at 2,000m (6,500 ft.) at 280 mph (450 km/h)
Service Ceiling: 10,360m (34,000 ft.)
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Armament:
Fw 190A-1:
Four 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns.
Fw 190A-2:
Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns above engine.
Two 20mm MG/FF cannon mounted in wing root.
Optional:
Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns in outer wings.
Fw 190A-3:
Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns above engine.
Two 20mm Mg 151/20 cannon mounted in wing root.
Two 20mm MG/FF cannon in outer wings.
Fw 190A-4/R6:
Two 20mm Mg 151/20 cannon mounted in wing root.
Two 210-mm WGr.21 rocket tubes
Fw 190A-8/F-8:
Two 20mm Mg 151/20 wing mounted cannon.
Two 13mm Mg 131 fuselage mounted machine guns.
Avionics:
Fw 190A-1:
FuG 7a radio
Type: Fighter Fighter/Bomber
Origin: Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau Gmbh.
Models: D series
First Flight: Late 1942
Final Delivery: N/A
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Engine:
Model: Junkers Jumo 213A-1
Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One
Horsepower: 1,776 hp (2,240 hp Emergency Boost)
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Dimensions:
Wing span: 34 ft. 5½ in. (10.50m)
Wing Surface Area: 196.99 Sq. Ft. (18.30m²)
Length: 33 ft. 5¼ in. (10.2m)
Height: 11 ft. 0¼ in. (3.35m)
Weights:
Empty: 3,500 kg (7,720 lbs.)
Loaded: 4,840 kg (10,670 lbs.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 440mph (704km/h)
Cruise Speed: N/A
Range: 560 miles (900km)
Initial Climb: 3,300 ft. (1000m) Per Minute
Endurance: N/A
Service Ceiling: 32,810 ft. (10,000m)
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Armament:
Two 13mm MG 131 above engine
Two 20mm MG 151/20 in wing roots
Bomb Load:
One 1,100 lb. (500 kg) bomb on centerline.
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Comments:
The Dora 9 went into production in the Autumn of 1944. The mating of a bomber engine to a fighter airframe resulted in an extremely fast aircraft. Later the D-models were redesignated the Ta 152.
Type: Ground Attack/close support fighter-bomber
Origin: Focke Wulf
First Flight:
Fw 190V1: June 1, 1939
Production Fw 190A-1: September 1940
Fw 190A-8/U11: January 23, 1944
Service Delivery:
Fw 190A-3: Autumn, 1941
Fw 190A-4: Summer, 1942
Fw 190A-5: Early 1943
Fw 190A-6: June 1943
Fw 190A-7: December 1943
Production: N/A (20,000+ for all Types)
SNCAC (France) built 64 Fw 190A-8s as the NC.900 in 1945.
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Engine:
Fw 190A-1:
Model: BMW 801C-1
Type: 14-cylinder air cooled, twin-row radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,660 hp
Fw 190A-3:
Model: BMW 801Dg
Type: 14-cylinder air cooled, twin-row radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,800 hp
Fw 190A-4 Fw 190A-8/F-8:
Model: BMW 801D-2
Type: 14-cylinder air cooled, twin-row radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,730 hp at take-off*
*With MW50 water/Methanol injection could produce
2,100 hp for short periods.
Propeller Unit:
Fw 190A-8/F-8:
Type: VDM 9-12176A three blade, constant speed
Diameter: 3,300mm (10 ft. 11¾ in.)
Fuel: Fw 190A-8/F-8
Capacity: 140 U.S. Gallons (530 liters)
Type: N/A
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Dimensions:
Wing span: 10.5m (34 ft. 5½ in.)
Wing Surface Area: 18.3 sq. m (197 sq. ft.)
Length: 9.00m (29 ft. 6 in.)
Height: 3.96m (13ft.)
Stabilizer Span: 3,650mm (11 ft. 11¾ in.)
Wheel Track: 3,500mm (11 ft. 5¾ in.)
Weights:
Empty: 3,060kg (6,750 lbs.)
Gross: 4,865kg (10,725 lbs.)
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Performance:
Maximum Speed:
Fw 190A-4: 416 mph at 21,000 ft (With MW50)
Fw 190A-8/F-8: 400 mph at 22,000 ft
Range (Maximum Fuel): 1,370km (850 miles)
Range (Maximum Bomb Load): 610km (380 miles)
Climb to altitude: 9.35 Minutes to 6,100m (20,000 ft.)
Endurance:
2 Hours at 2,000m (6,500 ft.) at 280 mph (450 km/h)
Service Ceiling: 10,360m (34,000 ft.)
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Armament:
Fw 190A-1:
Four 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns.
Fw 190A-2:
Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns above engine.
Two 20mm MG/FF cannon mounted in wing root.
Optional:
Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns in outer wings.
Fw 190A-3:
Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns above engine.
Two 20mm Mg 151/20 cannon mounted in wing root.
Two 20mm MG/FF cannon in outer wings.
Fw 190A-4/R6:
Two 20mm Mg 151/20 cannon mounted in wing root.
Two 210-mm WGr.21 rocket tubes
Fw 190A-8/F-8:
Two 20mm Mg 151/20 wing mounted cannon.
Two 13mm Mg 131 fuselage mounted machine guns.
Avionics:
Fw 190A-1:
FuG 7a radio
Erich
the old Sage
The A-9 had the most engine power of the A series, but usually had a reduced armament to take on the P-51. The standard A-8 model till war's end had 4 2cm's in the wings and the heavier Sturm having the most punch with the outer 2cm replaced by the Mk 108 3cm cannon.
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Until the operational entrance of the Me-110 as the first standard night fighter of the Luftwaffe, different versions from powerfuls FW 190 were used in experimental form to evaluate the operation of the new radar of the FuG series.
Even some Me-109 they were provided with such radars like experimentation versions, like Me 109 G-6/N and Me 109 G-6/Y, used in the IV/NJG2 that took the FuG 350 "Naxos Z" radar.
The versions of FW 190 used as experimental night fighters were the A6, A7, A8 and F; the type of radar used (also the types and location of the Letzler antennas) were FuG 216, FuG 217 and FuG 218. The successes obtained by Me-110 (and later by the Heinkel 219 and the Me-262 B1A/U1) took to the cancellation of the FW 190 night fighter program, although given the necessities, some squadrons continued operating until the end of the war. But by mainly, it must consider that the different versions of Fw 190 were desperately required like diurnal versions than more nocturnal, since they was used not only like bomber interceptor, but for a great variety of other missions.
It was perhaps by that reason that, from half of 1943, was introduced a new night aerial battle tactics: the Wilde Sau or . This strategy created by the bomber pilot Hajo Hermann consisted of which, day fighters turned nocturnal by the addition of radars, were guided at night towards the enemy formation with the help of ground radars. Once produced the interception, each one of the hunters had free election of their prey.
The purely evaluative nature of the NJG 10 explains the differences between the airplanes of the same unit respect to camouflages, radar types, location and types of antennas and until the strategy of attack used. On the matter, one thinks that the Fw 190 A6/R11 WN 550148 "white 11" was of the first night fighters being used successfully in this type of missions.
The emblem of the squadron consisted of a wild boar head (Wilde Sau) with the abbreviation "Jllo", abbreviation of Jägerleitoffiziere (Fighter Control Officer). According to the information that I could find, it seems that this badge was initially the personal emblem of one aircraft commander of the NJG 10, being later adopted like standard identification insignia of all the squadron.
The historical importance of NJG 10 was not given by the successes achieved in combat; non figure in annals of the Nachtjagd like outstanding as far as the number of kills, simply because its function was not to participate openly in combat but to evaluate the different tactics from night fighter that would be carried out by the remaining constituted fighter units for such aim. It is highly probable that these units have benefitted from the tactics contributed by NJG 10.
The cockpit, in wich the ammo counter is replaced with radar screen.
What was of the "white 11"? I could not find references about the final destiny of the airplane nor its pilot, Oberleutnant H.F. Kraus. A very spread photo shows him arming a cigarette in the horizontal stabilizer of its "white 11" in Werneuchen
The certain thing was that the moral impact that produced in the allies the introduction of the new techniques of German night fighter was so great that they made very popular the emblem of NJG 10, to the point that, even at the present time, some North American squadrons and English electronic war uses the figure of a wild boar like emblem... Volunteer or not, a doubtless tribute to the NJG 10 men.
Even some Me-109 they were provided with such radars like experimentation versions, like Me 109 G-6/N and Me 109 G-6/Y, used in the IV/NJG2 that took the FuG 350 "Naxos Z" radar.
The versions of FW 190 used as experimental night fighters were the A6, A7, A8 and F; the type of radar used (also the types and location of the Letzler antennas) were FuG 216, FuG 217 and FuG 218. The successes obtained by Me-110 (and later by the Heinkel 219 and the Me-262 B1A/U1) took to the cancellation of the FW 190 night fighter program, although given the necessities, some squadrons continued operating until the end of the war. But by mainly, it must consider that the different versions of Fw 190 were desperately required like diurnal versions than more nocturnal, since they was used not only like bomber interceptor, but for a great variety of other missions.
It was perhaps by that reason that, from half of 1943, was introduced a new night aerial battle tactics: the Wilde Sau or . This strategy created by the bomber pilot Hajo Hermann consisted of which, day fighters turned nocturnal by the addition of radars, were guided at night towards the enemy formation with the help of ground radars. Once produced the interception, each one of the hunters had free election of their prey.
The purely evaluative nature of the NJG 10 explains the differences between the airplanes of the same unit respect to camouflages, radar types, location and types of antennas and until the strategy of attack used. On the matter, one thinks that the Fw 190 A6/R11 WN 550148 "white 11" was of the first night fighters being used successfully in this type of missions.
The emblem of the squadron consisted of a wild boar head (Wilde Sau) with the abbreviation "Jllo", abbreviation of Jägerleitoffiziere (Fighter Control Officer). According to the information that I could find, it seems that this badge was initially the personal emblem of one aircraft commander of the NJG 10, being later adopted like standard identification insignia of all the squadron.
The historical importance of NJG 10 was not given by the successes achieved in combat; non figure in annals of the Nachtjagd like outstanding as far as the number of kills, simply because its function was not to participate openly in combat but to evaluate the different tactics from night fighter that would be carried out by the remaining constituted fighter units for such aim. It is highly probable that these units have benefitted from the tactics contributed by NJG 10.
The cockpit, in wich the ammo counter is replaced with radar screen.
What was of the "white 11"? I could not find references about the final destiny of the airplane nor its pilot, Oberleutnant H.F. Kraus. A very spread photo shows him arming a cigarette in the horizontal stabilizer of its "white 11" in Werneuchen
The certain thing was that the moral impact that produced in the allies the introduction of the new techniques of German night fighter was so great that they made very popular the emblem of NJG 10, to the point that, even at the present time, some North American squadrons and English electronic war uses the figure of a wild boar like emblem... Volunteer or not, a doubtless tribute to the NJG 10 men.
Erich
the old Sage
CB, much of the information you have copied and pasted is old news and quite incorrect. I'll make an attempt to enlighten everyone very soon. some of the materails we have gotten straightened out in our forthcoming volumes: "Moskito-jagd über Deutschland".
Fritz Krause is still alive by the way......the pilot flying Weiße 11 for a very short term in the summer of 44, when 1./NJGr 10 did away with their Fw 190A's for the Bf 109G-6/AS. the Fw's were dumped to training schulen and the 109G-6/AS was able to achieve the necessary altitudes necessary to combat RAF heavy bombers, and even the Moskito.
The white background is from NJGr10 by the Wilde Sau label motif came from JG 300 which formed the cadre initially of NJG r 10 at least the single enigne fighter contingent. More on this in the first volume of JG 300 due to be released in two months or so.
Just so you and everyone is aware I have had close contact with nf vets for some 40 years with special emphasis on the single seat night actions; reason to finally put text/data to pen.
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Fritz Krause is still alive by the way......the pilot flying Weiße 11 for a very short term in the summer of 44, when 1./NJGr 10 did away with their Fw 190A's for the Bf 109G-6/AS. the Fw's were dumped to training schulen and the 109G-6/AS was able to achieve the necessary altitudes necessary to combat RAF heavy bombers, and even the Moskito.
The white background is from NJGr10 by the Wilde Sau label motif came from JG 300 which formed the cadre initially of NJG r 10 at least the single enigne fighter contingent. More on this in the first volume of JG 300 due to be released in two months or so.
Just so you and everyone is aware I have had close contact with nf vets for some 40 years with special emphasis on the single seat night actions; reason to finally put text/data to pen.
v/r
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KraziKanuK
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Erich,
do you know the total NF score for each > Me110 and Ju88?
thanks
do you know the total NF score for each > Me110 and Ju88?
thanks
Erich
the old Sage
KK since there is no official history of any of the NJG it is impossible to tell. A small book privately published on NJG 6 was done but still incomplete. in fact there was an English book just recently done on German night fighter claims but it is a dog with many gaps. Dr. Theo Boiten will produce his in 2006 so that is a must have and then we will get at least some good idea of just what a/c scored what..........
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KraziKanuK
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Thanks Erich.
Can I ask then, which to the best of your knowledge, which was the most successful?
Another question, do you know if any Fw190F-16s were built?
Can I ask then, which to the best of your knowledge, which was the most successful?
Another question, do you know if any Fw190F-16s were built?
Erich
the old Sage
The Bf 110 probably had the most kills with the Ju 88 second. Overall the nachtjagd gruppen changed over to the Ju 88G-6 by march-april of 45 although some gruppen had both a/c even in the same staffel. NJG 1 stayed with the Bf 110G-4 almost entirely for the whole war, except for I./NJG 1 which was the unit to use the He 219 operationaly with limited success.
Fw 190F-16 ? not familiar with it. The F-8 and the lesser F-9's were used for the ground attack role somewhat replaced by the G variant for ground attack work on the Ost front.
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Fw 190F-16 ? not familiar with it. The F-8 and the lesser F-9's were used for the ground attack role somewhat replaced by the G variant for ground attack work on the Ost front.
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The Bf-110 and the Ju-88 were obviously better suited for night fighter duties then a Fw-190. I tried to do a search and find some info on it in several of my books and you are correct it is hard to find anything on total kills by night fighters. I did find numbers of individual kills but one can not go off of that.
KraziKanuK
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Erich said:
Thanks again Erich.
The F-16 was supposed to be have been produced from Dec 44, at least according to someone from the White 1 Foundation. I have only seen it as as possible production a/c beginning in March 45.
Never really heard of it.
CharlesBronson
Senior Master Sergeant
Erich wrote.
I am starting to burn some books here
I am starting to burn some books here
Lets have a party.
