Erich
the old Sage
will agree the Chino air Museum is a hoot. filthy dirty and almost in the middle of cow poop yards (recommend nose clips in the summer....)but still worth going when they have warbirds on parade and veterans gatherings.
Which is better: P-47 or Fw-190?
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Ive been to Chino before as well, and I was there during the summer, and I STRONGLY recommend taking up erichs advice.....
syscom3
Pacific Historian
The smell isnt so bad anymore. Lots of development going up in the old cow pastures.
By the way, the people with the best view of the airshow have to be the inmates in the state prison across the street from the airport. They are directly under the main runway!
If people want, I can post more pictures of the airshow.
By the way, the people with the best view of the airshow have to be the inmates in the state prison across the street from the airport. They are directly under the main runway!
If people want, I can post more pictures of the airshow.
Erich
the old Sage
do it please. I only hae some 5x7's and 8x10's of the Recon 262 they brought out some years ago in October with friend hans Busch present, were you there for that great tribute ?
evangilder
"Shooter"
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Has anyone ever been to Osh Kosh recently??? I went when I was 15 with my Dad and Grandpa, and ill remember it till the day i die.....
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
I used to fly into Chino all thi time, always had some great stuff around there. If the weather was good 2 or 3 of us would fly over and walk the ramp, the museum folks always had something going on.
I'm hoping next summer to fly to Oshkosh and camp out.
I'm hoping next summer to fly to Oshkosh and camp out.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Ok, here are two more. Two of the P47's in flight, and another (teaser) for you of a pair of Zero's taking off while a TBF and Wildcat warm up.
I think the P47's in the "vee" formation look nasty enough to scare the daylights out of the German troops!!!
I think the P47's in the "vee" formation look nasty enough to scare the daylights out of the German troops!!!
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evangilder
"Shooter"
Gotta love the bomb they put on our Zero! I am still not sure why they did that.
You've got some nice shots syscom3! What camera gear are you using?
You've got some nice shots syscom3! What camera gear are you using?
syscom3
Pacific Historian
evangilder
"Shooter"
I know that one well! That is part of our outfit, she is our flagship.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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them's some amazing pics you've got yourself there.........
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Soren Quote:
P-47D-25-RE :
Initial climb rate: 2780 ft/min at sea-level, 1575 ft/min at 30,000ft.
P-47D-35-RA:
Max initial climb: 3120 ft/min.
P-47D-25-RE :
Initial climb rate: 2780 ft/min at sea-level, 1575 ft/min at 30,000ft.
P-47D-35-RA:
Max initial climb: 3120 ft/min.
Well why the hell post a statistic that shows 2 climb rates, and the second one only shows one.... EIther u forgot it or ur left it out on purpose... Why bother showing the comparison of the 25-RE if u cant compare the data???
lesofprimus said:
Oh, you ment the 30,000ft performance for the D-35-RA...
Well it only shows the max initial climb rate for that one(3120 ft/min), and unfortunately no alt is given. However as one can see, it is close to 400fpm more than the max climb rate of the D-25-RE.
Btw; why would I leave it out on purpose ? That would just be plain stupid !
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Maybe some *incriminating* evidence not wanting to divulge??? Who knows. Im still not 100% with u yet, so.....
Im kinda surprised at u actually, cause ur statistical info is usually complete and precise, and this one wasnt, hence all the ????'s surrounding it...
Im kinda surprised at u actually, cause ur statistical info is usually complete and precise, and this one wasnt, hence all the ????'s surrounding it...
syscom3
Pacific Historian
I have one pix of the P47 in the 2004 show, plus as a bonus for you Brits, a hurricane.
I have more pix to share, but i suppose i will need to open a whole new topic.
BTW, my 2 cents worth..... the P47 would defeat the FW190 everytime if it had room to dive. And the solid construction of the plane would mean the Fw190 pilot would have to make every shot count as he wouldnt have it in his sights for long.
I have more pix to share, but i suppose i will need to open a whole new topic.
BTW, my 2 cents worth..... the P47 would defeat the FW190 everytime if it had room to dive. And the solid construction of the plane would mean the Fw190 pilot would have to make every shot count as he wouldnt have it in his sights for long.
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I haven't really seen any others 
Soren, you wrote, " I still wonder how they could even hope to let us to believe the -47 would climb at 4900 ft/min ! That's an insane number for such a heavy a/c ! "
I submitted the 504mph XP-47J's climb rate as 4,900fpm. I have no reason to believe that it could not deliver on that number. I did not asert the "M" model's climb rate as 4,900fpm. I do suspect that it was probably close to 4,000fpm though. (A frankly speculative guess)
With respect to the numbers you quoted from your source, I'm still interested in knowing:
Why it would be reasonbable to accept the "N" model's initial climb rate as equal to the pre-paddle blade "D" model level.
AND
Why it would be reasonable to accept the "M" model's climb rate as only a few hundred fpm higher than the post paddle bladed "D" model when the top speed rocketed from 429mph for the "D" to over 470 mph for the "M".
Keep in mind that the 500mph XP-47J 's climb rate in combat configuration was 1,700fpm higher than the post paddle bladed "D" model.
Concerning the XP-47J
From: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_9.html
Weights were 9663 pounds empty, 12,400 pounds normal loaded, 16,780 pounds maximum.
I submitted the 504mph XP-47J's climb rate as 4,900fpm. I have no reason to believe that it could not deliver on that number. I did not asert the "M" model's climb rate as 4,900fpm. I do suspect that it was probably close to 4,000fpm though. (A frankly speculative guess)
With respect to the numbers you quoted from your source, I'm still interested in knowing:
Why it would be reasonbable to accept the "N" model's initial climb rate as equal to the pre-paddle blade "D" model level.
AND
Why it would be reasonable to accept the "M" model's climb rate as only a few hundred fpm higher than the post paddle bladed "D" model when the top speed rocketed from 429mph for the "D" to over 470 mph for the "M".
Keep in mind that the 500mph XP-47J 's climb rate in combat configuration was 1,700fpm higher than the post paddle bladed "D" model.
Concerning the XP-47J
From: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_9.html
Weights were 9663 pounds empty, 12,400 pounds normal loaded, 16,780 pounds maximum.
