You are in charge of the Luftwaffe: July 1940

Tante Ju · Jan 28, 2013

Thanks for clearing that up for us, Steve!

Shortround6 · Jan 28, 2013

A regular Spitfire would do nicely. depending on the clouds how close do you have to get? Even at two miles of range a plane 10mph faster than the other takes 12 minutes to catch it. Well exceeds the normal 5 minute limit and cuts deeply into the fuel on both planes.

stona · Jan 28, 2013

Shortround6 said:
A regular Spitfire would do nicely. depending on the clouds how close do you have to get? Even at two miles of range a plane 10mph faster than the other takes 12 minutes to catch it. Well exceeds the normal 5 minute limit and cuts deeply into the fuel on both planes.

Plus the Spitfire could dive for home. The persuer(s) might not want to find themselves at low altitude over the British coast and a relatively long way from home themselves.Such a situation limits their tactical options.
The Luftwaffe did it in the other direction.
Cheers
Steve

nuuumannn · Jan 30, 2013

More saliently he highlights the complete lack of a coherent strategy on the German side... He considers the German offensive against Britain to have been a hasty improvisation and here Cox agrees with him. Cox writes that in the Luftwaffe's campign everything was attempted but not in a logical order and,crucially, without persistence. A combination of over confidence and poor intelligence led to an ill directed campaign.

Can't get much more succinct than that.

Seb Cox used to be the head of Air Historic Branch when it was still at Bentley Priory - a very knowledgeable man. I think he was former RAF Museum Department of Printed Books, or what is known as DoRIS now; a number of former DoRIS staff go on to brighter things at AHB.

SPEKTRE76 · Jan 30, 2013

Bomb the RADAR sites, bomb shipping, request ground scouts to identify camouflaged hangers and airfields and do photo recon back up. Conduct night air-raids with Allied marked planes and destroy factories. Then I would blame it all on the Allied forces and offer my alliance to crush them.

parsifal · Jan 30, 2013

oh boy

nuuumannn · Jan 30, 2013

Regarding the radar sites, I'll just repeat myself, since it happens often - the system doesn't need to be completely destroyed to be disabled, in fact, you don't even need to bomb it for this to happen. Disabling Britain's radar network would be a high priority for obvious reasons - drop window, radio signals to deceive and jam it, but take it out to allow raids in.

nuuumannn · Jan 30, 2013

oh boy

fastmongrel · Jan 31, 2013

Using 3 geschwader of TIE fighters I would launch a multi pronged attack using one geschwader as a spoof to draw up the RAF the other to drop chaff to confuse the operators and launch anti radar missiles. meanwhile the third group would sneak in and use 50 terra watt lasers and anti matter bombs to take out Bentley Priory. A squadron of 600 mph FW187s would then fly over at 65,000 feet and video the remains of southern England to be broadcast on Nazivision 9 o'clock news.

After all this with the RAF in ruins the Germans would still get stomped on by the Royal Navy if they tried to invade.

stona · Jan 31, 2013

fastmongrel said:
After all this with the RAF in ruins the Germans would still get stomped on by the Royal Navy if they tried to invade.

If the Luftwaffe could force the RN to withdraw its destroyer flotilla to safer waters in 1940,as it did using contemporary weapons,then surely your TIE fighters could use their lasers and anti matter bombs to prevent the British warships from interfering with the invasion. They would be unmolested by the RAF,now reduced to a smoking ruin of its former glory.
That was supposedly the whole point of achieving air superiority across the Channel and over south eastern England

Nice model BTW

Cheers
Steve

tomo pauk · Jan 31, 2013

Great one, fastmongrel

michaelmaltby · Feb 2, 2013

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEiFNTzqwiw

MM

stona · Feb 2, 2013

Good fun!
I lost count of how many times the RC Stuka (the one whose wings fold as it explodes) was shot down last time I watched the whole film. Several would be a conservative answer
Steve

vinnye · Feb 2, 2013

Looks like low flying raids seem to have a good chance of not being detected in time to be detected and bounced, so if I were in charge of the LW or Bomber Command for that matter I would concentrate on low level stuff.

stona · Feb 2, 2013

vinnye said:
Looks like low flying raids seem to have a good chance of not being detected in time to be detected and bounced, so if I were in charge of the LW or Bomber Command for that matter I would concentrate on low level stuff.

Chain Home did have a seperate element (Chain Home Low) to detect low flying aircraft,but its detection range was much shorter.
Erpr. Gr. 210,operating its Bf 110 Ds as fighter bombers made the sort of low level,terrain hugging,attacks you describe with considerable success. They also employed relatively few aircraft (often single figures) making detection more difficult given the limitations of the technology of the day.
They were the only unit trained in this method of attack. German doctrine advocated dive-bombing and you can't do that from low level for obvious reasons.
Cheers
Steve

Juha · Feb 2, 2013

9./KG 76 was also trained for low level attacks. It was equipped with Do 17Zs.

Juha

The Basket · Feb 3, 2013

The Germans had a better chance of operational TiE fighters than Fw 187s in 1940.

Did the Germans have ANY plans for aerial bombardment of the UK in 1940? Extremely unlikely. I do declare that the Luftwaffe could have pushed the RAF out of 11 group in 1940. But it didn't even do this...nevermind defeat the RAF or even try an invasion.

Any invasion possible would have been more Dieppe than Normandy. A total fiasco.

Njaco · Feb 3, 2013

Juha said:
9./KG 76 was also trained for low level attacks. It was equipped with Do 17Zs.

Juha

see 18 August 1940....

stona · Feb 4, 2013

Njaco said:
see 18 August 1940....

Another raid that whilst brilliantly executed by the low level Dorniers didn't exactly go to plan. Oberleutnant Lamberty (who was shot down) and his men certainly didn't expect to be first over the target!

August 18th was also the Ju 87's swansong in the British campaign.

Alfred Price wrote "The Hardest Day" about August 18th.......no idea where my copy went

Cheers
Steve

nuuumannn · Feb 4, 2013

Using 3 geschwader of TIE fighters I would launch a multi pronged attack using one geschwader as a spoof to draw up the RAF the other to drop chaff to confuse the operators and launch anti radar missiles. meanwhile the third group would sneak in and use 50 terra watt lasers and anti matter bombs to take out Bentley Priory. A squadron of 600 mph FW187s would then fly over at 65,000 feet and video the remains of southern England to be broadcast on Nazivision 9 o'clock news.

After all this with the RAF in ruins the Germans would still get stomped on by the Royal Navy if they tried to invade.

Now, you're just being silly.

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