Bf 110G-2 'Pulk-Zerstörer'....

[Micdrow]

Thanks guys, I think I have some more floating around in different books. Will see what else I can come up with.

 

[Micdrow]

Here are a couple more

 

[Erich]

paul I postd the first one earl;ier, but thanks for the enlarged pic of the ZG 26 crate.

2nd pic is of the experimental use with ZG 76, note the halfed spinner which was early in the Reich defense. by gruppe and then by staffel ZG 76 110's went for the 2-3 colour spinner ad also continued this for some time on their Me 410's later

 

[Micdrow]

paul I postd the first one earl;ier, but thanks for the enlarged pic of the ZG 26 crate.

2nd pic is of the experimental use with ZG 76, note the halfed spinner which was early in the Reich defense. by gruppe and then by staffel ZG 76 110's went for the 2-3 colour spinner ad also continued this for some time on their Me 410's later

whoops yeah your right Erich, getting tired as 3:00 am was along time ago though I got to say the picture does look good enough to frame.

 

[beaupower32]

ZG26 Bf-110 G-2s at Bad Lippspringe in late 1943. Underwing fuel tanks are fitted to the aircraft, and 'White 5' has the MG 151/20 belly cannon pack fitted.

Two views of a Bf-110G-2 'Yellow 1' of an unidentified unit having its compass calibrated. Supplementary fuel tanks are fitted under the wings and the twin MG 151/20 ventral pack is fitted. A wide white band is carried on the rear fuselage, and the fuselage cross does not have any thin black outline to it

 

[Erich]

flak 18 3,7cm mount already posted is not from ZG 26

wide white band may not be ZG 26 at all with the numbers as the 3U code is not present on the bands. this could very well be a very special stafeln or even from ZG 101 which also flew anti-bomber ops, though most were the trainer training the trainee

beua the top pics are from what book ? have seen a couple of them in the past. did another serch through the base I. and III. gruppen in December 43 through February used coloured numbers. oh heavens I could be wrong imagine that. am looking for positive ID though that ZG 26 used a wide white band though, in fact we know they used a narrow one

more hunting, the thread is great

thank you

E ~

 

[109ROAMING]

Beaut shots guys 8) inspirational

 

[GrauGeist]

Really good info guys!

I dug through my stuff, but the only thing I've come up with so far, is a detail image of the BK37 itself...

 

[Airframes]

Great pics and info guys. I'll see if I can add anything when I find the time!

 

[Erich]

thought I would throw this in here for you guys : first use of the WGr's for the Bf 110G-2.

Die erste Bf 110G-2 mit Rüstatz (MS) 2 x 2 WGr. wird ausgeliefert. : 15. 08. 43

 

[GrauGeist]

Here's something I've wondered about regarding the BK37...was it hard-mounted to the frame, or were there shock-dampening fasteners (like rubber bushings) to take some of the recoil out of the weapon's discharge?

 

[Lucky13]

Another pic from the same book....

 

[Lucky13]

The 37mm cannon is in the G-2 kit, as well as the twin belly mounted MG151/20's.... 8)

Even though the barrel isn't bad, I might change it though...

 

[Lucky13]

Found these....unfortunately I read German. But the '110 is mentioned! 8)

4850
dt. MG. 151/20 mit Mündungsfeuerdämpfer trichterförmig für dt. Nachtjäger,in Messing gedreht, Mündung hohl für Ju 88, Do. 217, Me110

4851
dt, 3,7 cm Flugzeug Bordkanone für Panzerjäger Ju 87 G, Ju 88 und Me 110 überschwerer Bomber Pulk Aufbrecher-Zerstörer Messing dreh,b,fr. Rohr, Mündungstrichter vorne hohl,am Ansatz der Mündungsbremse durchsichtige Rauchabgasschlitze.

4852
dt. 3,7 cm Flugz. Bordkanone Messing bohr dr, fr. Rohr Mündungstr. hohl und Schlitze mit Epoxid Bodenwanne für Me. 110 Pulkzerstörer.

4853
3 cm Bordkanone MK103 Messing bohr, fr. dr. Rohr Mündung vorne hohl, 7seitliche Rauchabgasschlitze, durchsichtig, für Umrüstung Me 110 Revell/Monogramm und Hasegawa HS.129 und FW. 190 A

4854
siehe 4853- 3 cm MK 103 mit Epoxid Tragflächen Verkleidung-Gondel Verlängerung in Epoxid für Tamiya Do. 335 linke und rechte Tragfläche .

4855
dt. 50 mm. Flugzeugbordkanone BK. 5 in Messing gedreht, Rohr mit integrierter Mündungsbr. in einem Teil, Mündung vorne hohl, 50 Rauchabgaslöchern an zwei gegenüberliegenden Seiten für Revell/Monogramm Me410 und Revell/DRAGON Me 262A-1a/U4

4856
dt. 50 mm. Munition für BK 5, 7 komplett und 7 verschossene Kartuschen u.KWK 39

4857
dt. 75 mm. Flugzeugbordkanone BK 7,5 cm als Zurüstteil für Hasegawa HS 129 in Messing gedreht b,fr., 132 Rauchabgaslöcher in Mündungsbremse und hohle Mündung. Ebenfalls für Ju 88P 1

4858
dt. 75 mm. Munition für BK 7,5 -Dioramen

4859
dt. Flugzeugbordkanone 50 mm. Pak 39-KWK 39 f. Ju 88 P 4 in Messing gedreh ,Rohr mit integrierter Mündungsbremse in einem Teil. Rohr vorne hohl und große seitliche Rauchabgaskammern.

4860
21 cm Werfer Rohre-Dödel, f. Me. 109, 110, 262, 41o FW. 19o-Messing Dreht. hohl

4861
21 cm Werfer Granaten für siehe 4860 in Messing Drehteil

4862
21 cm BR.Gerät Werfer Drehling f.ME 410,dünnwand.Rohren und Granaten,geätz.Verb.Pl.

4863
dt. Basis Nachtjagdgerät Lichtenstein SN. 220, 4 Haltearme, 8 Dipol Antenne gedreht, ab Mitte nach unten, und oben je drei-fach gestuft, zum seitlichen anstecken.

4864
dt. Bombenschlitten zum ziehen mit SC. 1.000 "Hermann" Bombe

4865
dt. 15 cm Werfer Rohre dünnwandig hohl gedreht für Ungarische Me 410

4866
dt. 15 cm Werfer Granaten gedreht für Ungarische Me 410

4867
40 mm Bofors Kanone für Ungarische Me 410

4868
BK 7,5 Messing Rohr mit Resin Wanne Waffenverkleidung für Revell HS 129

4869
BK 5 mit geänderter Resin Bodenwanne für ME 410B2-U4

4870
Düsenkanone 88 mm für Revell und Dragon Ju 88/A4 Resin/Epoxid Wanne und Messing Rohre

4871
Umbausatz Me 262, verdickter Resin Bug mit gedrehter BK 5 für Revell-Dragon u. Tamija

 

[Lucky13]

Did Hptm Egon Albrecht from ZG1 fly the G-2? See that he has 6 B-24's to his credit.

22.2.1944 12:50 B-24 Stab II./ZG 1 S Pilsen
23.2.1944 12:02 B-24 Stab II./ZG 1 S Wels
25.2.1944 13:11 B-24 Stab II./ZG 1 40km NNW Brück
12.4.1944 12:13 B-24 Stab II./ZG 1 E Wiener Neustadt
26.6.1944 9:32 B-24 Stab II./ZG 1 NW Pressburg
26.6.1944 9:52 B-24 Stab II./ZG 1 Stockerau

If so, was it a "standard" G-2 or a Pulk-Zerstörer?

 

[Erich]

what do you mean G-2 or pulk Zerst. ?

if armed with heavy cannons and rockets of course, what he had for arms in each case might be one of question. did he fly the same 110G-2 each op ?, hard to say.

from looking at the file on II./ZG 1 he and his crew were not shot down in combat.

E ~

 

[Lucky13]

Was thinking one thing there Erich and wrote something completely different...

Thanks!

 

[Lucky13]

Found a few interesting '110's, not all of them G-2's, some only marked down as a '110. Could Holzmann and Uhlig possibly have flown G-2's?

Lt Richard Heller, 9/ZG-26 (8/40), III/ZG-76 (2/41), 8/ZG-26 (11/41), Stfkpt 2/JGr-10 (4/45) Bf 110C, Bf 110E-2 Wk# 4431(lost 9/43), Bf 110G-2 Wk# 6371 (lost 10/43).

KIA 5 April, 1945 hit by flak during a low level attack near Wülferinge/Harz. Injured in a crash at Gobi in Werk # 4431 on 27 September, 1943. Injured a 2nd time in Wk# 6371 on 9 October, 1943, crashing at Kiel after aerial combat. 5 victories in the Desert, 17 in the West. His first known victory, a Spitfire during the Battle of Britain, on 26 August, 1940. A 2nd, a Spitfire on 31 August, 1940, no location. A 3rd, a Spitfire over England on 26 September, 1940. In the desert on 15 July, 1941, Hptm Müncheberg came to his rescue, downing a Hurricane of RAF No. 73 Sq., which had latched onto his tail. His RK was awarded mainly for his escot work for Ju 87's, especially during July, 1941, when he downed three Hurricanes, and no Ju 87's were lost. He and gunner Uffz Mühlbrodt was shot down by a P-40 on 24 November, 1941. Heller was wounded in the left hand. Shot down with wounds in Werk # 6371, 9 October, 1943, opposing U.S. bombers during the Münster raid. This same day, he managed to down 3 B-17's in the Kielerförde/Schauberg area. A P-38 45 km SE of Livuk on 10 May, 1944.


Uffz Josef Holzmann, 1/ZG-1 (10/43), 1/ZG-26 (12/43) Bf 110.

One known victory, a B-17 20 km SW of Osnabrück on 10 October, 1943. A 2nd B-17, same day, 2 km N of Vassen, by Apeldoorn. A 3rd, a B-24 at Bolsward on 22 December, 1943. A 4th, a B-17 at Steinhuder on 10 February, 1944. A 5th, a B-24 N of Nidda-Bad Soden on 24 February, 1944. A 6th, a B-24 SW of Fulda on 24 February, 1944. A 7th, a B-24 "PS-4" on 12 May, 1944, no location.


Ofw Hans Raab, 2/ZG-1 (5/43 S.U.), 2/ZG-26 (5/44) Bf 110G-2.

One known Soviet victory, a LaGG-3 on 10 May, 1943. Two known western victories, both B-17's, one at Hümmling Polder, the other by Burgsteinfurt, on 10 October, 1943. A 3rd, a B-24 in the Kammin area on 29 May, 1944.


Ofw Lothar Uhlig, 4 6/ZG-1 (2/44) Bf 110.

One known victory, a B-24 SE of Pilsen (Bohemia) on 22 February, 1944. A 2nd, a B-24 at Sarborgard on 13 April, 1944. A Boston III on 24 April, 1944. A 4th, a Boston III on 11 May, 1944. A 5th, another Boston III on 12 May, 1944. A 6th, a P-38 at Bad Voslau on 24 May, 1944. A 7th, a B-24 SE of St. Pölten on 29 May, 1944.


Josef Kociok, III/ZG-76, II/SKG-210, 4/ZG-1 (7/42 S.U.), 10(Nacht)/ZG-1 (2/43 S.U.), 5/NJG-200 (9/43 S.U.) Bf 110G-2 Werk # 6392 (lost 9/43).

KIA 26 September, 1943 near Kertsch, when he collided with a crashing Russian AC, and his parachute failed to open. His R/O, Alexander Wegerhoff survived by parachuting. In addition to his aerial victories, he was credited with another 15 AC on the ground, 4 tanks and 200 vehicles. All victories in the East, 21 were Night victories. His first known victory, a Soviet Seversky on 8 July, 1942, a Fw at the time. A 2nd, an I-18 on 25 February, 1943. A 3rd 4th, an MBR-2 and a DB-3 N of Kortsch on 12 March, 1943. Nos 5 6, An SB-2 and a Yak-4 the night of 26-27 April, 1943. Three PS-84's and an SB-2 the night of 15-16 May, 1943. Two Soviet Boston's the night of 16-17 June, 1943. A PS-84 SE of Taman on 1 July, 1943. An R-5 at Krimskaya on the night of 27-28 July, 1943. Three R-5's in the Krimskaya area on the night of 31 July, 1943. Two Bostons and an I-18 on 17 September, 1943. An I-18 on 18 September, 1943. An MBR-2 in the Nevel area on 26 September, 1943, the day he was KIA. Buried in the cemetery at Kertsch.


Not a G-2 but still,

Fw Josef Scherkenbeck, 9/ZG-26 (5/43) Bf 110C.

WIA 7 July, 1942 when he was hit by ground fire during a ground attack near Fuka. He made a successful force landing. Another Bf 110 landed alongside, and picked up the crew. One known Desert victory, a P-38 on 5 April, 1943. His 2nd, a Spitfire on 17 April, 1943. His 3rd victory, during the Sicilian campaign, a B-24 on 17 July, 1943. His 4th, a Spitfire on 28 July, 1943. A 5th 6th, both B-17's on 9 October, 1943. A 7th, a B-17 on 14 October, 1943. An 8th, a B-17 on 26 November, 1943. A 9th 10th, both B-17's on 29 November, 1943. An 11th 12th, both B-17's on 11 December, 1943.

 

[Erich]

both pilots flew G-2's.

rule of thumb for all anything flow as to Bf 110 variants from late September 43 onward was a G-2, 9/10ths of which were equipped with dual WGr's under each wing. as to forward firing 2cm and 3cm that is speculation as to what was preferred or used ovre the weeks/month(s) time. II./ZG 26 was the first to be equipped with the Me 410A in October 1943.

 

[Lucky13]

Very much appreciated Erich, as always! Another thing regarding the MG 151/20 and the Bk 3,7 cm armament when and which crate used it.... If you don't have a photo of the specific aircraft, only the code, maybe it's safest to assume that they had the two nose mounted MG FF's, the four MG 17's, belly mounted MG 151/20's and two or four wing mounted W.Gr?

I do hope that I don't take too much of your time Erich (and others), I apologise if so!