MiTasol
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Amen to that. Hence my relying on the ProMED daily updates - information from recognized medical sources with comments on suspect information from countries like China and Iran
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Amen to that. Hence my relying on the ProMED daily updates - information from recognized medical sources with comments on suspect information from countries like China and Iran
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
40 km for me (24 miles). Idiot went to Bali for a holiday and bought it back then went to work for over a week before showing symptoms. Fortunately I have not been to that dentist.
That's why in New Zealand, the Government is pushing the reason for the restrictions isn't preventing the virus getting here, its about smoothing the infection curve so that the medical system isn't overwhelmed. Best case scenario is that by the time it gets established here, there's a vaccine; but it WILL get here.
this is the article Towards Better Hand Hygiene for Flu Prevention
"Washing hands with an antiseptic soap, they found, deactivated the virus within 30 seconds "
EDIT, the article talking of flu virus in mucus, not of corona virus in droplet
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MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Many a true word said in jest, there is a lot of national stereotype/ characteristics involved in the various states reactions which all claim to be based on science. They are certainly not the same or science driven.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Thank you Vincenzo - I could not find that or another similar one that is on my work computer but not here at home.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
The Kiwis seem to be doing a good job of mitigation - unlike Australia where they allowed all sorts of close proximity mass gatherings like church and football until today but warned everyone on Thursday. That naturally caused sell out crowds because lots of people were suddenly desperate to go to a live event before those events go crowd free. Sheesh
As a result of one big mistake NZ has its first case - a mongrel from Townsville who flew to NZ to beat the Kiwi warning that no one would be allowed in without 14 day quarantine starting today. What makes this even worse is the mongrel had been tested for Covid-19 in Townsville and then flew out before getting his results. I hope the hotel where he is quarantined are giving him massive extra fees for security and for the extra precautions they must take to protect their staff and customers from this $%^ and his stupidity
The Kiwis, and the Aussies should have taken a leaf out of Spain's playbook. They turned flights back to where they came from by putting in place an immediate requirement for isolation.
That idiot wasn't our first case, somewhere around #7 I think. Hopefully he gets treated like this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/trav...-he-had-pending-test-airline-banned-him-life/
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Yes. It is a pity that all airlines do not share a banned passenger list. Unfortunately in many countries the privacy act prevents sharing such information. Maybe this will bring about the change. One operator I worked with nearly 20 years back did have an informal arrangement with some other operators regarding passengers banned for air rage and Dangerous Goods infractions like shipping outbourd motors complete with fuel and oil or shipping lead acid batteries in cardboard boxes identifying them as starter motors.
Crimea_River
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Distance is less relevant here than you think. Flights, vacation trips, and trucking between Canada and US are a huge factor. It's not concentrated to just the border zones.
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My point was originally that if the rate of infection in the population is the same then it doesn't matter about people crossing a border, the border means nothing to the virus.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Australia's She'll be right mate at work.
America has serious competition for the too little too late gold medal.
Maybe I am biased but being over 75 with diabetes and leukemia I am in the high risk group and i need a responsible government to take responsible actions. Saying I am praying for you is not taking responsible action.
'It's mind-blowing': This couple flew back from Bali with cold-like symptoms, but no-one has told the other passengers
America has serious competition for the too little too late gold medal.
Maybe I am biased but being over 75 with diabetes and leukemia I am in the high risk group and i need a responsible government to take responsible actions. Saying I am praying for you is not taking responsible action.
'It's mind-blowing': This couple flew back from Bali with cold-like symptoms, but no-one has told the other passengers
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Tomorrows skin cancer removal cancelled as the surgeon has been given a Covid-19 quarantine by a patient. It was an urgent one to redo a surgery that had left some melanoma in the margins. Fortunately not malignant yet but the sooner it is removed the better and the Dr has advised she saw the donor after she saw me.
The Basket
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If you're an introvert nerd this is a blessing.
No sport. No social interaction. No going out.
I do wonder, if we survive, how society will change after this is over.
We live in interesting times. What happens if schools close? What happens if public transport shuts? What happens if my work closes? What happens if the whole structure of business collapses? Can see insurance and manufacturing take a real hit.
It's no exaggeration to say this is a disaster.
No sport. No social interaction. No going out.
I do wonder, if we survive, how society will change after this is over.
We live in interesting times. What happens if schools close? What happens if public transport shuts? What happens if my work closes? What happens if the whole structure of business collapses? Can see insurance and manufacturing take a real hit.
It's no exaggeration to say this is a disaster.
Exactly. The most extensive testing has been in South Korea and the OVERALL mortality rate is around 1%.
It is much higher for the elderly (70+) and compromised, some figures being bandied about in the 15% area. A few days ago the average age of people dying in Italy was 81. The Italians have done a very good job of keeping the mortality rate in the over 70s to a figure lower than that seen in China, but people are still dying.
I was watching some French news this morning as the British news was doing my head in. It turns out that good old Jacques and Francoise are, in the opinion of the French government, not taking things seriously enough. It was a nice week-end in France and some people had the temerity to go out to parks, anything else that was open, picnic and otherwise enjoy themselves. Why do I feel that the French people are showing greater calm than their own government?
Here in the UK there is even talk of granting the police emergency powers to detain people refusing to self isolate (good idea, cram them all in a police station, I'm sure the police would love that!) or fine them £1000. This would be a classic example of passing a law that it utterly unenforceable. It's also a sign that some people have already lost their minds, maybe a new symptom of the disease?
It is being put in place here in South Australia.......The Police will have that power to arrest idiots who do not play ball...
But it is unenforceable. There are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone would need to leave their house. Even in Italy pharmacies and supermarkets are still open, so that people can still buy medicines, food and water.
Old Bill - 'Where do you think you are going? This area is in lockdown.'
Supposed ne'er do well - 'I'm just off to Boots to get some Lucozade and Nurofen for me poor old grandma officer.'
Old Bill - 'Right-o, carry on then.'
See what I mean
buffnut453
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Agree it's unenforceable. What about people who own dogs but live in apartments? They have to go out at least a couple of times a day just to...well, you know.
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