rogthedodge
Airman 1st Class
- 155
- May 9, 2007
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I suggest you go through this forum and read some other threads about the amount of Experten that were still around in 1945. Germany had PLENTY of excellent pilots left and if not for the lack of fuel the war would of lasted a lot longer...It is simply this. Without the United States economy an Allied victory was not possible. A stalemate maybe but no victory. The same thing happened with Japan as with Germany. When the experienced pilots were killed they were gone, the replacments just couldn't measure up with almost no fuel and very little reserves Germany was doomed. They spread themselves too thin. If they hadn't turned on Russia they may still be in control of Europe. The U.S won the war. Japan and Germany truely did wake a sleeping giant.
Damned vista update ate my brilliant post so here's the short version;
BOB - american pilots recognised in the chapel at Biggin Hill
US sportsmen sent 000's of rifles over after Dunkirk to arm the Home Guard (LDV)
A lawyer I knew for many years (by phone only) was the typical British barrister type - nice chap, died a few years ago and we were all stunned to find out that he was a New York Jew who came over in '39 to join the British Army, served all the way through (with us) and was decorated at least twice. I'm sure there are many other examples of 'unseen' help from our cousins across the ocean.
Can we kill this thread now?
Or at least be a bit nicer to the sceptics
And why should the US have done that? It was not the United State's war. .
Did England stand up and join the US in Vietnam? No because it was not there fight....
Get over it, that is such bullshit that one would say such a thing.
Show us that please....After WWII The USA sponsored and secretly trained North Vietnamise terrorists to kill British personel who were providing temporary governance of this region untill hand over to the French...
The best the British governement could do was quietly ask for troops from the commonwealth.
It was not a commonwealth war either untill we made it our business to be one...
The USA should have done it because like us they new what was going on, but unlike us they considered it not a good enough reason to object.
bomber said:After WWII The USA sponsored and secretly trained North Vietnamise terrorists to kill British personel who were providing temporary governance of this region untill hand over to the French...
The best the British governement could do was quietly ask for troops from the commonwealth.
bomber said:I'd like to debate with you some more but I don't think I will
Eugene Quimby "Red" Tobin, Andrew Mamedoff and Vernon "Shorty" Keough, all with 609 Squadron fought in the Battle of Britain and were the first members of 71 Squadron (Eagle) formed after the B of B. 10 Americans fought in the B of B, see for your self...
The Battle of Britain - Home Page
The point is they never LOST their nationality, that was idle threat that was quickly swept under the rug....I think you proved my point did you not that the Eagle squadrons was formed after the BoB.
Still as you see we honour them as American... even if they didn't have the nationality
Simon
The fact of the matter is, syscom, you're basing your whole argument on this idea that the war on the Eastern Front would be decided in 1944 - and there's no evidence to back that assumption up.
The Commonwealth had the industrial capability to defeat Germany in a war of attrition. From day one, you should have realised that the Commonwealth didn't gear up to maximum because we let the U.S do it.
Without the U.S, Australia would have been building Lancasters like Wildcat said - but with the U.S they just used the B-24s that were already built.
To think it would have taken decades for the Commonwealth to produce enough to beat Germany in a war of attrition is bizarre. After all, the U.K alone was out-producing Germany !
Some of what you say may be true sys as I am not that up on some of your figures but as for the LC production it was very big in the UK,not all landing craft where Higgins boats there was a very large number of LCA's and LCT's produced in the UK, some of the slips are still down in Dartmouth all along the river bank.
No manpower or equipment shortages in the US Army?.....................
US Army in World War II
Manpower and Segregation
by Rich Anderson
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Since the US supplied a majority of the divisions for the fight for western Europe, then imagine the manpower problems the Commonwealth countries faced.
Oh I know the manpower problems and I know every nation faced them. You seem to believe the US could do anything when plainly they struggled like all the other Armies..
It seems to me you simply are trying to claim the credit for everything. You constantly say the US had 'more' of everything. Well if your population is larger then obviously you have more resources.
However if you were not building on the foundations laid by the same Commonwealth Forces then it is very doubtful that the US alone could have defeated Germany.
I find this type of 'you owe it all to us' argument rather distasteful anfd totaly unnecessary.
Anyway now you know that there were severe manpower shortages in the US Military you can stop highlighting the UK problems- or admit that the US shortfall was as crippling to them as you say the UK shortage was to their effort.
Well, if it wasnt for the US joining in on the fight, then Europe would be under the thumb of Hitler or Stalin. Take your pick.
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Ho Chi Min 'nam:
HCM (not called that at the time) was armed by the US to lead a resistance movement within 'nam against the Japanese occupiers. They succeded in tying down 3 japanese divisions which obviously benefited the allies.
When Japan surrendered the UK were given operational control of 'nam but were short of troops. We convinced HCM that it was time to disarm and suggested this would be a good move in their strive for independence. They duly trotted in and stacked their weapons. Silly them.
UK command seconded the 3 Japanese inf divisions in country, re armed them and used them to control the country until the French had sufficient troops available to re occupy their colony. (Can't recall who but some UK General commented the japanese were the best troops he'd ever commanded).
HCM got shafted by the US, the UK, The French - you can understand he was a bit miffed!
The whole thing was collectively one of our darker hours but I don't think it is a good episode to 'prove' anything about UK/US relations / terrorism etc etc
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