beaupower32
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Very intresting, thanks for posting wayne.
Galland's Bf 109s
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Flaviosil
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Very interesting post Wayne, I agree with you.
Just one comment about the Mouse emblem: I made some photographic studies and camparisons using Corel Photopaint and the emblem on the plane of 1941 matches excactly in dimension and position with that of 1940; of course there are very small differences as you pointed out, but I don't think it was completely repainted, probably only re-touched during the repainting of the fuselage.
I attach one interesting photo (from Jagdwaffe vol.2, Classic Pub.); this is almost certainly 5819 at the begin of 1941 soon after the application of GM-1 system; the repainting was started but not yet finished (no mottles on fuselage), the JG26's new emblem as to be still added while the mouse was already there. Note the absence of the telescope, probably removed for a while.
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Is there somebody who can identify those people??
In the centre there is British ace Douglas Bader after taken prisoner in 1941; at his left Galland, barely visible.
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Adaing1976
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Bene Flavio hai colto nel segno!!
(Good shot Flavio!!)
(Good shot Flavio!!)
You make a good point Flavio, but I do feel it was 'repainted', I say this rather than 're-touched' because I stared at the 2 images for quite some time, there are a lot of very small changes, too many to just retouch it....I think the original Mouse was lightly sprayed over retaining the faint image below on which the new version was painted, hence, as you say exact dimension and position....thats my take on it.
Remember the original 'S' badge was lightly oversprayed and overpainted and as you rightly pointed out it is still faintly visible.
Yes, I have the Jagdwaffe series and that image...I think the light mottling is there, it's just a sh!tty reproduction that is a bit light and grainy, a good image none the less to show the progression of this aircraft's changes..
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Benevolens Magister
I think Wayne is right. I seem to remember reading, many years ago, about the re-painting, and how it was done virtually as Wayne described. Also, the mottle is there on the print. It's just, as Wayne pointed out, a poor reproduction.
Flaviosil
Airman
You could be right Wayne, what a pity this image was printed so bad…
This time I attach some photos of 5819's starboard side.
The first four photos were taken in 1940 at Audembert and Abeville, while the last five in 1941 after the plane was repainted; probably the last three photos were made on the same occasion.
Although "S" badge is only barely visible on 1940 photos, I suppose it was in shape and dimension like that on the port side, and like that, it was overpainted and changed to a new style in 1941.
A point of interest in the color photo (source "Luftwaffe im focus" n°4): the plane in the foreground is 5819 while the second E-4/N is Galland's back-up machine; it could be 5966 even if the color of the spinner is yellow (5966 was always photographed with a RLM70 spinner …).
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Good point Njaco; if I well understand you suggest the presence of JG52 badge on the cowling of the plane. Any way what seems a tarp on the cowling is infact only the dark dresses of the mechanics busy to operate around the engine after the cowling panel was removed. The black segment behind the cowling panel is an air scoop as I pointed out on the photo in attach (the real 5699). Any way the problem is that this panel is yellow while on 5966 it seems to be in the original camouflage colors; I suspect the plane in the background was not 5966…
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The photo I tried to attach failed, second attempt...
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Njaco
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I see what you mean. Very possible.
Lucky13
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Great stuff guys!
On first look the final 2 images posted by Flavio are of two different aircraft, again the Mickey mouse badges are different....AND the one above them both, the emblem is different again??? but is definitely the final scheme of 5819 with the 60 victories...still trying to determine if one of the final 2 partial shots is 5819 repainted from the heavier camo'ed 1940 version....looks like the left hand one IS...further scrutiny in order...
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Benevolens Magister
I think this was a deliberate ploy, on the part of Galland and his 'Blackmen', to really F*^ things up for modellers 70 years later!!
Pong
Staff Sergeant
Great pics!
B-17engineer
Colonel
Yep, it's a conspiracy.
BikerBabe
Senior Master Sergeant
No matter what, it's a load of great pictures. Thanks for the photos, guys. 
what amazing pics 
these are the only galland pics i have one of him hunting and the last one i think its werner molders standing a the wing.
these are the only galland pics i have one of him hunting and the last one i think its werner molders standing a the wing.
