Gloster Meteor v Messerschmitt ME-262

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  1. Gnomey

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    Gloster Meteor G.41

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    Specifications

    Year deployed - 1944
    Wing span, m - 13.11
    Length, m - 12.57
    Height, m - 3.96
    Wings area, m2 - 34.74
    Weight, kg
    - empty aircraft - 2692
    - maximum take-off - 6257
    Engine - 2 x TJE Rolls-Royce W.2B/23C Welland
    Thrust, kgs - 2 x 771
    Maximum speed, km/h - 668
    Range, km - 2000
    Rate of climb, m/min - 2220
    Service ceiling, m - 15240
    Crew - 1
    Armament - 4 x 20mm cannon (Hispano MkV)

    Specifications for production versions can be found here: http://www.britishaircraft.co.uk/aircraftpage.php?ID=42

    History: http://www.vectorsite.net/avmeteor.html

    Messerschmitt ME-262 A-1 "Schwable"

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    Specifications

    Year deployed - 1944
    Wing span, m - 12.50
    Length, m - 10.60
    Height, m - 3.80
    Wings area, m2 - 21.80
    Weight, kg
    - empty aircraft - 3800
    - normal take-off - 6400
    - maximum take-off - 7140
    Engine - 2 x TJE Junkers Jumo 004B-1(B-2, 3)
    Thrust, kgs - 2 x 900
    Maximum speed, km/h
    - on sea level - 823
    - in altitude - 855
    Range, km - 1040
    Rate of climb, m/min - 1200
    Service ceiling, m - 11000
    Crew - 1
    Armament - 4 x 30-mm cannons MK 108 with 100 rounds 12 UR R-4M

    A-2 Specs - http://www.airwar.ru/enc_e/fww2/me262a2.html Fighter-bomber
    B Specs - http://www.airwar.ru/enc_e/fww2/me262b.html - Night fighter
    Specs in Detail: http://www.stormbirds.com/squadron/common/technical.htm

    History: http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/me262.htm

    All information from http://www.airwar.ru/aww2e.html unless otherwise stated.

    What would be the result of a dogfight between the two? I believe that it would be tight as the Meteor could out climb the 262 but it has a huge disadvantage in speed (at least the G.41 by the F-1 the speeds where similar). However I believe that the 262's heavier armament would mean that it would win.
     
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    well climb, reliability and manouverability are the only areas the F.3 has the -262 beat on, but they're still important factors............
     
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    It all boils down to the pilot again, if it was a good pilot in either plane then they would win. If there was equally skilled pilots in both planes then the Meteor with it's greater manoeuvrability would win, although if the ME-262 did get in an accurate burst it would possibly win.
     
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    It all depends who bounces who, the plane that has the altitude and the sun will come out on top
     
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    As is the case for every dogfight that ever happened (until air-air missiles)
     
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    exactly, a Gladiator might be able to shoot down a 262 if the pilot wasn't looking (emphasis on the word might!)
     
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    Exactly very unlikely though and the 262 pilot would have to be pretty blind and a complete novice and the Glatiator pilot a hardened veteran and even then it would be hard but the point is very valid.
    Any plane can shoot down any other plane.
     
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    I see additional advantages for the Me-262:
    critical Mach speed: 0.86 (against 0.83 for the Gloster Meteor MK IV)
    excellent high speed handling
    smaller target
    the ability to keep its energy is better, esspecially on turns
    acceleration at dives
    even the ability of the Meteor to outurn the Me-262 depends on the speed
    However, the Meteor has also some advantages:
    weaponry: The four Hispano 20 mm are much better suited for high speed combats, since they have a very flat trajectory (compared to the Mk 108).
    reliability of its jet engines
    I believe that the better initiative (speed, crit Mach) of the Me-262 would be very important at dogfights with equaly qualified pilots.
     
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    the meteor had far better handiling charactoristics than the -262............
     
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    ...at low to medium speed. Galland did fly a Meteor in Argentinia and he was not impressed by it´s handling charackteristics at high speeds. The lower wingload of the Meteor indicate a better handling at low speeds. But the MK I and MK III were both greatly underpowered (as was the Me-262).
     
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    Update.
     
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    Great pic, GT! Gonna snag that one to my hard drive!
     
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    heres the real thing colorized. II./JG 7, machines surrendered at Fassberg May 45. bitchin shot actually of a famous b/w pic which is still hot stuff 8)
     

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    Nice..... Stole that one.......
     
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    Les would you mind cropping the name of the guy out and enlarging this for the thread please ? This guy actually colorized a copy of a copy so who really knows the copyright except it is from the RCAF archivs with the Canadians captured the machines. Do think that white 5 was flown by jet ace and Staffelkapitän Fritz Stehle who shot down one of the last Soviet a/c of the war before landing
     
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    I apoligize as it should read III./JG 7 not II. gruppe which never had their own a/c............geez...........
     
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    Stole that one too. :toothy5:
    Thanks Erich.
     
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    I can take a stab at cropping and enlarging later tonight, Erich. Great shot that I definitely will be grabbing as well!
     
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    please Eric go for it ! if indeed true to the REAL colours and I think they are it is a rare find. EVen in the late war you can see the light blue background of the birds with the green/greys above. The jets were a hot commodity painted in an array of colours. will try and post the black and white for comparision if I haven't already
     
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