the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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no the tempest was very much a fighter, it's the tiffy that's ground attack........
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no the tempest was very much a fighter, it's the tiffy that's ground attack........
loomaluftwaffe
Tech Sergeant
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so thats what a typhoon is called
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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yes the Typhoon was also known as the tiffy, and the Tempest was a development of the Typhoon...........
loomaluftwaffe
Tech Sergeant
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of course it is...
Bring it face to face, hussars? Is that because you cannot stand being wrong and would hit lanc ?! Despite the fact lanc didn't really beat you , he kind of just continued with what I was saying. 
The math is there, and it's actually in favour of the F-14. And the F-14 still loses !
The math is there, and it's actually in favour of the F-14. And the F-14 still loses !
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102first_hussars
Tech Sergeant
Thats not what I meant, I meant sitting down in the same room together and having a verbal discussion, simple, no hitting just talking and why would I threaten to hit a fourteen year old kid?
syscom3
Pacific Historian
some 14 yo's deserve to be smacked, heheheheheheh
"The math is there, and it's actually in favour of the F-14. And the F-14 still loses !"
Someone explain that statement to me.
"The math is there, and it's actually in favour of the F-14. And the F-14 still loses !"
Someone explain that statement to me.
loomaluftwaffe
Tech Sergeant
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go back? dude, using any WWII plane over Berlin in 1943 could make anyone have a heart attack, if not fighter/flak attack
The times were favouring the F-14, as in I was giving it extra time when in reality it would be slower. For example, in my calculations I estimated it could keep it's initial climb rate all the way up to 44,000 feet. I also gave it's climb rate for when equipped with Sparrows, not six Phoenix missiles.
evangilder
"Shooter"
jacknisen said:
What do you mean by that? The war has been over for 60+ years.
Royzee617
Tech Sergeant
Some pilots were as scared of the P47 as the enemies were. Awesome beast with much to its credit, maybe a Top 50 fighter but it was a bomber really, well a fighter-bomber. Much smaller A2A scores than 109 or P51 etc.
evangilder
"Shooter"
Who was "scared" of the P-47 as a pilot?
Well lets see, a friend of mine who is now a Blackhawk Crewchief in my unit, was a Tomcat mechanic in the Navy and he said that when an alert happened it took them 2 minutes to get the first 2 Tomcats in the air, thats 2 minutes my friend. Not a bad time to get into the air. He said the next 2 would take about 3 to 4 minutes to get into the air. Okay 5 to 6 minutes for 4. So in 4 minutes you can have 30 to 35 Pheonix missles on Tomcats climbing to alltitude. Once the Tomcats are to Alltitude the Tomcat can fire those 30 to 35 missles at targets at ranges that the Lightning has to fly to.
I will say this again. The Tomcat is more overall capable than the Lightning, The Tomcat can carry a better overall weapons package than the Lightning, the Tomcat has a better overall avionix package than the Lightning, The Tomcat is the premier Cold War interceptor. The Tomcat is a better ovarall aircraft than the Lightning. Period!!!!
By the way, the last 2 squadrons of the old Cat just returned from there last combat mission.
I will say this again. The Tomcat is more overall capable than the Lightning, The Tomcat can carry a better overall weapons package than the Lightning, the Tomcat has a better overall avionix package than the Lightning, The Tomcat is the premier Cold War interceptor. The Tomcat is a better ovarall aircraft than the Lightning. Period!!!!
By the way, the last 2 squadrons of the old Cat just returned from there last combat mission.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
The only drawback to the F14 was its crappy engines.
evangilder
"Shooter"
Here is a linnk to a friend of mine's Tomcat shots, including the arrival of the last cruise at Oceana this past week.
http://www.haviland.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1
http://www.haviland.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1
Good shots there!
You're talking about an interception from an aircraft carrier, steam catapulted from a ship is much different, and a lot quicker, than taking off from a concrete runway.
And even then, you haven't taken into account the climb to 44,000 feet while equipped with six Phoenix missiles. It would not be able to sustain 32,000 feet per minute while carrying that payload.
No one has denied that the F-14 has a superior avionics system, nor has anyone denied the weapons package is superior. What is being said is that the Lightning, from a ground strip, could be intercepting and destroying it's targets earlier than the F-14 could, even if it was carrying the Phoenix missile. Carrying a package of Sparrows just allows the Lightning so much of an advantage in the speed of interception it's not even worth mentioning.
And even then, you haven't taken into account the climb to 44,000 feet while equipped with six Phoenix missiles. It would not be able to sustain 32,000 feet per minute while carrying that payload.
No one has denied that the F-14 has a superior avionics system, nor has anyone denied the weapons package is superior. What is being said is that the Lightning, from a ground strip, could be intercepting and destroying it's targets earlier than the F-14 could, even if it was carrying the Phoenix missile. Carrying a package of Sparrows just allows the Lightning so much of an advantage in the speed of interception it's not even worth mentioning.
Hello I have been read this thread alot. Could someone PlanD or anyone show us some pics of the Lightning and some performance stats for both F14 and Lightning. I never have been all that interested in jets but this is interesting to me. Excuse my lack of knowledge of both planes. I know alittle about the F14 but nothing about the Lightning (it sounds like a good plane from PlanD), is it still in use?
