DarrenW
Staff Sergeant
Thanks for looking that up for me. Too bad the chart he speaks of isn't located in that post.
Groundhog Thread Part Deux - P-39 Fantasy and Fetish - The Never Ending Story (Mods take no responsibility for head against wall injuries sustained) (4 Viewers)
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Well if you find it don't follow his lead on how to interpret it!
DarrenW
Staff Sergeant
Thanks for the advice. I already see huge discrepancies in his analysis concerning the service ceilings of 1943 fighters.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I'm just going to share this phantom-view of a P-51 while trying not to draw attention to "lucky number thirteen".
* posted while slowly backing towards the door... *
* posted while slowly backing towards the door... *
Fargo?
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Oh, I don't know, it's a .gif I found a few years ago that I thought would come in handy, and it has.
wuzak
Captain
I'm trying to find this chart in post #869 but came up empty. Does anyone know where it possibly went?
And I apologize in advance to those who would like to have seen this thread die a thousand horrible deaths a thousand or so posts ago...
There may have been a bit a thread merging back in the neolithic period.
The chart itself was most likely from WWII Aircraft Performance
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I think so.
wuzak
Captain
I'm trying to find this chart in post #869 but came up empty. Does anyone know where it possibly went?
And I apologize in advance to those who would like to have seen this thread die a thousand horrible deaths a thousand or so posts ago...
Maybe these?
Groundhog Thread Part Deux - P-39 Fantasy and Fetish - The Never Ending Story (Mods take no responsibility for head against wall injuries sustained)
The "early 2 stage Spitfire MkIX" was a 1942 aircraft. Only 4 squadrons active with the Mk IX before Sept '42, basically test batches. Real production of the Mk IX was in 1943. By 1943 the engines had improved. Do you think the P-39N is actually a match for the P-51A? The P-51A being faster...
ww2aircraft.net
Sure is Biff.
Probably just before he (Steve Buscemi) ends up up the wood chipper.
Dunno why - but I love that scene. Probably the attempt of 'hiding' blood in snow.
DarrenW
Staff Sergeant
Thanks Wuzak for the link. I hope to find it quickly as these threads were already exhausting the first time around...Maybe these?
Groundhog Thread Part Deux - P-39 Fantasy and Fetish - The Never Ending Story (Mods take no responsibility for head against wall injuries sustained)
The "early 2 stage Spitfire MkIX" was a 1942 aircraft. Only 4 squadrons active with the Mk IX before Sept '42, basically test batches. Real production of the Mk IX was in 1943. By 1943 the engines had improved. Do you think the P-39N is actually a match for the P-51A? The P-51A being faster...
DarrenW
Staff Sergeant
Old thread but still worth correcting a few of many salient discrepancies:
I found plenty of sources which give the F6F-3 and F4U-1 similar service and combat ceilings to what's noted in the now infamous P-39N report.
There were other gaffes as well. Such as ignoring higher performing versions of the Zero which arrived by1943 (reliable sources put the A6M5's ceiling at 38,520 feet). It's also pretty well established that P-38F/Gs, P-47Cs, and many 1942/43 vintage Bf109Gs were capable of altitudes in the region of 40,000 feet and more.
Now I do realize that fighting normally took place at much lower altitudes but facts are facts and the reason for twisting them was to somehow support a flawed belief that the P-39N could leave 95 percent of it's competition in the dust. Utter nonsense.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
I understand it had the highest flat spin rate of all of them.
buffnut453
Captain
That's what enabled it to burrow so effectively...that plus the nose armour.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Did anyone ever consider that the flat-spin may have been a secret weapon to shock and awe the enemy into retreat?
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
It was a useful combat maneuver. If a Zero is on your tail just pull back on the stick and BINGO, now it's right in front of you - on your tail again - in front - behind. Then you just need an hour or two to climb back to combat altitude. What? I don't have an hour or two of endurance? Oh, well. He who fights and spins away...
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
And all the while holding down the trigger so you're hurling rounds at all the bad guys in all directions.
Sort of like a garden sprinkler.
But with bullets.
Those clever Bell engineers are SO misunderstood...
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
And with three different weapons having three completely different trajectories, you're bound to hit something.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I never thought of that. Bell WAS on to something.
