drgondog
Major
just sent an email to Horst to see if he has any pics of JG53 for that timeframe
My New IL2 Video Research Thread...
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just sent an email to Horst to see if he has any pics of JG53 for that timeframe
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Awesome Bill.....
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Erich
the old Sage
what details are you missing for JG 300 now ?
also what are Manks and Weber quoting from what source(s) ?
Baer of JG 53 may have been another one of my relatives .............funny how life is. His crate is crap of course and hard to see if the black fusleage band is in place. the earlier Med Pik AS 109G cannot be used for the vid it's way too early.
found a pic of a 7./JG 53 109 in October of 44. the black band is worn and the A/C is a G-14/AS. AS G-14's were in 7th staffel as early as August of 44.
also what are Manks and Weber quoting from what source(s) ?
Baer of JG 53 may have been another one of my relatives .............funny how life is. His crate is crap of course and hard to see if the black fusleage band is in place. the earlier Med Pik AS 109G cannot be used for the vid it's way too early.
found a pic of a 7./JG 53 109 in October of 44. the black band is worn and the A/C is a G-14/AS. AS G-14's were in 7th staffel as early as August of 44.
beaupower32
Tech Sergeant
There are a bunch of JG53 skins on mission4today.com if anyone is intrested. Maybe it will help.
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Erich, we arent gonna need any info for the JG300 crates.... Thanks for the info on the Med JG53 pic....
7./JG53 in Oct would be a II. Gruppe machine, would it not???
7./JG53 in Oct would be a II. Gruppe machine, would it not???
Erich
the old Sage
Viktor, viktor, Ich verstehen Hauptmann ............ ~
yes correct D ~ 7th staffel is a second gruppe crate, but it does show at least in the pic the typical black band so we can say with some certainty it was worn.
the white spiral is a little unusual for 7th staffel and I do not want to suppose this style was carried over to III. gruppe.
9th staffel had white numbers, no outline
10th staffel ?
11th staffel had yellow numbers, no outline
12th staffel ?
yes correct D ~ 7th staffel is a second gruppe crate, but it does show at least in the pic the typical black band so we can say with some certainty it was worn.
the white spiral is a little unusual for 7th staffel and I do not want to suppose this style was carried over to III. gruppe.
9th staffel had white numbers, no outline
10th staffel ?
11th staffel had yellow numbers, no outline
12th staffel ?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Redbeard
Airman
Wow, those crates look great Dave. Now that I've read the entire thread, it all makes a bit more sense of what you have been telling me about.
This is gonna be one heck of a video guys...........hats off to everyone
This is gonna be one heck of a video guys...........hats off to everyone
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lesofprimus
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Alright, we're getting closer.... Kites look great Dave.... Thanks for the info Erich.... How does the skin look for Yellow 7 I posted above??? Camo color looks close???? If we lose the spiral, are we close enough or do we need to tweak it up a notch??? Any individual markings possibly???
So we are gonna need 4 White crates and 4 Yellow crates from 9 and 11 Staffels... I can mix em up and spread em out in the JG53 formation of 12 aircraft and make it work....
Question Erich and Bill, any way of finding out what numbered crates were involved/lost/engaged??? For sure we need a White 1 and a Yellow 1 for the couple Staffelkaptain that were lost....
So we are gonna need 4 White crates and 4 Yellow crates from 9 and 11 Staffels... I can mix em up and spread em out in the JG53 formation of 12 aircraft and make it work....
Question Erich and Bill, any way of finding out what numbered crates were involved/lost/engaged??? For sure we need a White 1 and a Yellow 1 for the couple Staffelkaptain that were lost....
Erich
the old Sage
D ~
I will have places of the crashes, pilot and A/C numbers hopefully when the volume arrives at my doorstep. Most likely with the authors in-depth details the number of 109's that were involved will be also mentioned in the days battle.
I will have places of the crashes, pilot and A/C numbers hopefully when the volume arrives at my doorstep. Most likely with the authors in-depth details the number of 109's that were involved will be also mentioned in the days battle.
drgondog
Major
Just sent you two clowns pics of various JG53 109s at different times - have no idea regarding staffels.
Also sent you the loss lists
David - great job
Also sent you the loss lists
David - great job
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lesofprimus
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drgondog
Major
Interesting to speculate on the top 109. It was surely counted and awarded a 'destroyed' by USAAF if chased by a fighter and belly landed - if it was repaired rather than written off.
This is an example of the difficulty in matching claims/awards to actual's.
This 109 WAS shot down - but NOT destroyed (maybe).. looking at cockpit area the pilot may have DOW later
Erich
the old Sage
yes second gruppe machine obviously but probably would fit the look of the III gruppe crates. interesting the losses quotes 11th staffel having black numerals, wonder if they were borrowed for 11st which should have yellow numerals. Stab. III. gruppe had black numerations and bars and <'s
I've got to wait for the 3rd volume on JG 53 and will have more concrete evidence
I've got to wait for the 3rd volume on JG 53 and will have more concrete evidence
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
This video is gonna kick ass.....
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
What color was the vertical Gruppe Bar color Erich???
Losses were:
StabIII. Ofhr. Bär, Peter werknum 442001 < 4 + l
9. Ofw. Amon, Georg
9. Uffz. Heck, Hermann Yellow 9 + l
11. Ltn. Harpel, Dieter wrknum 163401 White 15 + l
11. Uffz. Pusch, Hermann wrknum 440602 White 7 + l
11. Uffz. Sommerhoff, Hubert wn 166207 White 21 + l
11. Flg. Weinzierl, Fritz wn 166008 White 1 + l
Losses were:
StabIII. Ofhr. Bär, Peter werknum 442001 < 4 + l
9. Ofw. Amon, Georg
9. Uffz. Heck, Hermann Yellow 9 + l
11. Ltn. Harpel, Dieter wrknum 163401 White 15 + l
11. Uffz. Pusch, Hermann wrknum 440602 White 7 + l
11. Uffz. Sommerhoff, Hubert wn 166207 White 21 + l
11. Flg. Weinzierl, Fritz wn 166008 White 1 + l
drgondog
Major
That was a pretty nice spreadsheet wasn't it. I also have JG2 Loss list and hope to get JG 3 soon. Will pass all of them to you as soon as I get them
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Great frickin spreadsheet Bill, would love the others when u get em....
Erich
the old Sage
D ~ think 9th should be white and 11th staffel yellow numbers
still need to wait for that book to confirm and get the needed b/w photos
still need to wait for that book to confirm and get the needed b/w photos
