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Hello
Drew didn't sunk the Bv 238, he sunk a big French flying boat, Latecoere Late something.
Juha
I think you're right John, it would have been incredibly cynical.
But given the looming German technical advances a years pause on the eastern front might have dragged it all out for a lot longer than it took.
I'm actually more surprised Stalin would have allowed that to happen as late as '43 but I guess nothing looked certain until much later (although Stalingrad was a huge defeat for Hitler they did have Kharkov soon after to give the Russian serious pause for thought).
They just do not ever have the fuel to operate them along with their fighters etc etc (they actually built a lot of He 177s many if not most of which appear to have done very little) or enought of the properly trained crews to fly them.
We seem to act as if Germany was the only ones with advanced projects that just needed more time to develope.
America had the ultimate advanced project, and the means to deliver it, and did exactly that, just a few months after Germany surrendered.
Hello
my source was an article on the subject in a Aeroplane Monthly maybe 10 years ago, the writer had done fairly good research on the subject and had also contacted Drew who, after seeing the evidence admitted that his victim was the big French flyboat not Bv 238. It was simply misidentification on the part of Drew, after all he was first identified his victim as Bv 222.
Juha
We seem to act as if Germany was the only ones with advanced projects that just needed more time to develope.
America had the ultimate advanced project, and the means to deliver it, and did exactly that, just a few months after Germany surrendered.
We seem to act as if Germany was the only ones with advanced projects that just needed more time to develope.
America had the ultimate advanced project, and the means to deliver it, and did exactly that, just a few months after Germany surrendered.
http://chapters.scarecrowpress.com/08/108/0810857766ch3.pdf
"operational research", norden bomb site, cep - Google Search
down load [PDF] "Precision Guided Munitions: History and Lessons for The Future" ; Kaufman
I read these two files it appears that the USA did have access to guided munitions designs prewar, but were so convinced of the soundness of surgical strategic bombing that they opted for what they believed was the cheaper option. Predictions in 1940 were that Japan and German industry could be reduced to ashes in 6 months.
The Germans on the other hand had the Spanish Civil war experience to show them the limitations of level bombing and instead invested in Dive Bombing in the short term and guided muntions in the long run. However as with most such programmes the war got in the way and on going development was suspended until after Stalingrad when Hitler finally seems to have gotten the point that they 'might be' loseing the war.
According to A. Prices "last year of the luftwaffe" KG 200 used some Lioré et Olivier 246's, a pretty big plane but I can't imagine anyone mistake this with a Bv 222. Shame I can't supply a pic.
The Luftwaffe was limited by fuel and the Allies were not. This underlies all.
The Germans were limited by fuel in two ways.
The allied bombing campaign would have been very different if the allies had been limited to 87 octane fuel.
Any talk of German long range massive bombing campaigns has to be looked at in that light.
Less efficient engines (from a power to weight ratio) means heavier engines in given gross weight aircraft which means fewer bombs per aircraft sortie.
Which goes back to the German lack of fuel in general. More German sorties to carry the same amount of bombs as the allies carried while facing the German lack of fuel?
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Germans might have speed up development of the DB 603 but that is a 1900-2000lb engine and not a 1400-1500lb engine so you have the same problem.
Lets remember it is the 30 minute or 1 hour rating that counts with bombers. You have to get off the runway and climb to operational heights. 5 min sprint ratings don't work.
Hundreds more sorties to drop the same tonnage of bombs when you don't even have enough 87 octane fuel for 100hp trainers is not a way to win a war.
when?
The 601s were pretty much under 1000hp for 30 minute ratings.
The 601N needed 96 octane.
The 605 makes decent power but doesn't show up until 1942???
and the 605 gained about 100 kg in weight over the 601?
Please remember that it takes time for these large fleets of bombers to show up.
The B-17 is a special case in that it took years of dribs and drabs before production was started in earnest but it took until late summer of 1942 for the 1000th B-17 to be built, the last 500 in about 4 months.
It took from the end of 1940 until early summer of 1942 to build the first 500 B-24s but the next 500 showed up in 3-4 months. It helps if you have 3-5 factories making an airplane.
When is this German super-bomber designed and around what engines?
Lets make sure we are comparing the same capabilities.