lesofprimus
Brigadier General
I suddenly feel the urge to Afleck, I mean vomit...
Your armament?
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delcyros
Tech Sergeant
From what I know, the 30 mm MK-101 was an even more powerful
anti tank weapon than was the MK-103. It had an even higher initial velocity (around 920 m/sec) but was replaced by the MK-103 because of its lower rate of fire.
According to what Lunatic said (and I think he is right here), the MG-151/20 hasn´t the ballistic performance of a 0.50. We should rather compare the MG 151/15 with this gun.
anti tank weapon than was the MK-103. It had an even higher initial velocity (around 920 m/sec) but was replaced by the MK-103 because of its lower rate of fire.
According to what Lunatic said (and I think he is right here), the MG-151/20 hasn´t the ballistic performance of a 0.50. We should rather compare the MG 151/15 with this gun.
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
I'd take the armament of a Beau- 4x20mm Hispano and 6x .303 Brownings- helluva punch
cheddar cheese
Major General
I like the Re-2005's armament: 2x 12.7mm and 3x 20mm 8)
http://www.aldini.it/re2005/performances.htm
http://www.aldini.it/re2005/performances.htm
I like the FW190A8/R8 - 2x 20mm and 2x 30mm or the A8 - 4x 20mm and 2x 13mm or the 262 with 4x 30mm.
Yeap I have to go with that one too.
cheddar cheese
Major General
Nah I prefer the Re-2005, I can carry a ~2900lb bombload if I want to as well 8)
Erich
the old Sage
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
As I have said before, my choice is of course the Fw-190A8/R8 package, with 2x 30mm, 2x 20mm, and 2x 13mm, and of course that extra thick-ass armour...
Erich
the old Sage
I personally think about deleting the mgs and having the mg troughs faired over for the A-8/R8. the 2cm could hit targets far enough and away.
the armor was a necessity as vets have said but a crapper in a one to one struggle with fighters, at leat 500 extra pounds in the critical cockpit, wing nose and around the cannons ........
the armor was a necessity as vets have said but a crapper in a one to one struggle with fighters, at leat 500 extra pounds in the critical cockpit, wing nose and around the cannons ........
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
I have also read about covering the fairings over, and also of some of the Strums pilots who replaced the 108's with 151/20's....
The above plane of course would only be used as heavy gruppen... The top cover staffel in their Doras would take care of the Mustangs...
How many guys using that R kit went down after getting pounced from high Stangs??? 200??? 1000???
They really didnt combat too well with that extra weight, but man, having those B-17's .50cals bounce off ur plane while slamming 30mm minen rounds into her, jeez what a feeling Reschke and all those boys musta had...
The above plane of course would only be used as heavy gruppen... The top cover staffel in their Doras would take care of the Mustangs...
How many guys using that R kit went down after getting pounced from high Stangs??? 200??? 1000???
They really didnt combat too well with that extra weight, but man, having those B-17's .50cals bounce off ur plane while slamming 30mm minen rounds into her, jeez what a feeling Reschke and all those boys musta had...
helmitsmit
Airman 1st Class
I would have 4x 20mm cannon in the wings and two .50 on the top of the nose
Erich
the old Sage
Les some of the sturm guys later in the war flew the basic scaled down A-8 as it was enough to take out any Allied heavy and still be a contender against the Stang. In the beginning the A-8/R2 gents were specifically ordered not to engage the Allied escorts and of course by September-October that was impossible, the idea was to bank through the bombers and dive, dive, for the deck and hopeful if shot down could make a 1000 ft bail out or lower to safety.
maybe 150 or so Sturms shot down by Stangs, some by the B-24/B-17 formations the heavy crew gunners of course thought everytime the SturmFw engine smoked and rolled they theought they nad gotten a kill. Note the last long posting in the SturmFw thread, all those kills accredited to one B-24...............NOT ! But I must say the .50 on the bombers, fighters could easily make mince meat out of the Sturm BMW in no time at all as witnessed through surviving German pilot accounts. W. Reschke usually flew in the fall of 44 a A-8/MK with outboard 3cm but without all the Sturm armor fitted, armored windscreen and that is about it, although there is foto evidence of almost sturm like armor fitted on some III. gruppe machines, no canopy blinekrs-scheuklappen like on IV.Sturm/JG 3 machines........
maybe 150 or so Sturms shot down by Stangs, some by the B-24/B-17 formations the heavy crew gunners of course thought everytime the SturmFw engine smoked and rolled they theought they nad gotten a kill. Note the last long posting in the SturmFw thread, all those kills accredited to one B-24...............NOT ! But I must say the .50 on the bombers, fighters could easily make mince meat out of the Sturm BMW in no time at all as witnessed through surviving German pilot accounts. W. Reschke usually flew in the fall of 44 a A-8/MK with outboard 3cm but without all the Sturm armor fitted, armored windscreen and that is about it, although there is foto evidence of almost sturm like armor fitted on some III. gruppe machines, no canopy blinekrs-scheuklappen like on IV.Sturm/JG 3 machines........
Hmm interesting info there. I am with Les on this one though and I think that would have been my prefered package.
Sal Monella
Airman 1st Class
I think eight .50 cal. M3 machine guns a la P-47N would be a pretty wicked package.
1,200rpm on each gun. 9,600 rpm total.
160 rounds per second streaking towards your target.
1,200rpm on each gun. 9,600 rpm total.
160 rounds per second streaking towards your target.
Glider
Captain
I have heard a lot about the P47N carrying M3 .50 instead of the normal M2 but have never found any evidence that they were used.
There was a thread a while back comparing the P47M and the P47N and there was a mention that the manual for the P47N mentioned the M2 mgs as being fitted not M3's.
Does anyone know if this was a post war enhancement or a planned change that never happened, or indeed that it was fitted during the war.
Its just something that has always confused me and any help would be appreciated.
There was a thread a while back comparing the P47M and the P47N and there was a mention that the manual for the P47N mentioned the M2 mgs as being fitted not M3's.
Does anyone know if this was a post war enhancement or a planned change that never happened, or indeed that it was fitted during the war.
Its just something that has always confused me and any help would be appreciated.
Sal Monella said:
Only for 2 seconds!
Sal Monella
Airman 1st Class
How do you figure?
Each guns can be loaded up with up to 425 rounds. Each gun fires at 1,200rpm. That means each gun has 21 seconds of firing time.
21 seconds of firing time isn't bad at all!
Each guns can be loaded up with up to 425 rounds. Each gun fires at 1,200rpm. That means each gun has 21 seconds of firing time.
21 seconds of firing time isn't bad at all!
It was not meant to be taken seriously, calm down now.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Damn even P-38 coulda figured u were kiddin around.... Sal, u just got hoodwinked...
