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Coronavirus Thread
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French minister Olivier Véran put on twitter that you should avoid using medicines like Ibuprofen ( NSAID medicines) as they would make it easier for the virus to infect you. This is actually not a fact. What is true that Ibuprofen is not efficient countering the symptoms (being fever), but that paracetamol is much more effective.
Position Statement of the ESC Council on Hypertension on ACE-Inhibitors and Angi
vikingBerserker
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According to below, South Korea has tested 274,504 people, of which 8,236 were positive with 75 deaths.
That's a death rate of less than 1%.
That would put it in the same range as the standard flu.
Seems we should just employ common sense more than shutting down the world.
South Korea: coronavirus infections, recovered, and test cases 2020 | Statista
That's a death rate of less than 1%.
That would put it in the same range as the standard flu.
Seems we should just employ common sense more than shutting down the world.
South Korea: coronavirus infections, recovered, and test cases 2020 | Statista
No you actually need to shut it down.
I know Fox and Friends is not talking about this in the morning, but social distancing has nothing to do with death rates and fatalities. It is about not overburdening the Doctors and hospitals, so that those who need help can get it (our very own Dr. here has even pointed that out for us). It is about slowing down the spread, so that the system is not overburdened.
Take the US for example, even if only 1% of infected require intensive care, we do not have the capacity to treat them. We do not have the ICU beds. We do not have the ventilators.
Then what about others that might require intensive care. Someone is in a car wreck...
"Sorry, we cannot help you because people in this world are not capable of being inconvenienced a lil."
If anything this virus is teaching us how short sighted and narrow minded humanity is, and how selfish and Me first the world has become.
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When Korea noticed the Chinese had yet another virus outbreak the reacted rapidly, setup test production, tracked and tested all people exposed, sent txt messages warning people of where and when infected people had been so the people exposed can have themselves tested...
...if your government didnt do all of that that, then dont fool yourself looking at Korea, look at Italy, they only tested sick people, the asymptomatic were allowed to roam around unchecked so the virus spread. Did your country setup extensive testing? No? Italy has a 7% mortality rate...
And yes, very low mortality rate, trouble is it is highly contagious and you can expect 60% of the population to get it, and get it quick, which means hospitals will collapse and cause more deaths due to unavailability of care.
Hope you dont have elderly relatives btw, since that 1% death rate is overall, but for the elderly and sick people it is around 14%.
But hey, the old are already on their way out, maybe we should just like... let them go... walk towards the light pops! Right?
fubar57
General
What is wrong with you?
Unless you show symptoms or are ordered by your Dr. you cannot be tested here. We waited too late to start acting.
still no need to panic, it only makes things worse.
still no need to panic, it only makes things worse.
Heh?
To be crystal clear.
That 1% is of people who get the flu AND show symptoms.
The Wuhan virus is very different, most people show mild or no symptoms at all, Korea was ready and tested EXTENSIVELY catching even asymptomatic cases, they therefore had a very large pool of mild cases and a low mortality rate.
But most countries treated the Wuhan virus LIKE THE FLU, they only tested the sick people, the ones showing symptoms, LIKE WITH THE FLU, and in that context the virus has close to an 8% mortality rate.
So those are the numbers you have to compare 1% vs 8%, whoever told you otherwise is playing you for a fool.
If you have no symptoms what would a test show, at the moment no test reliably tells you if you have had it and recovered. If you have a test and its clear you can still catch it the next day.
You can be asymptomatic, but test positive for 14 days.
Estimates on that vary, it has been floating about for months.
And people were not being tested...
people however without symptoms are testing positive.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...tagious-before-during-first-week-symptoms/amp
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Drummer of my band is ill now. Just waiting until I get it.
I'm surprised I don't have it. People are nasty. So many people at work coughing and wheezing, not washing their hands.
I'm glad they sent us home to work from home.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
That is not what the data I posted stated, what is your source {not being a smart*ss, but I really want to know as I let facts and data drive my thinking].
I'm pretty sure WHO, JAMA and NEJM are not playing anybody as a fool, they are making their comments based on the information they have on hand and based on past experiances.
"World Health Organization (WHO) officials on Tuesday estimated that the global mortality rate for new coronavirus infections, known as COVID-19, is about 3.4%, which is higher than the 2% officials previously had reported.
WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the 3.4% mortality rate for COVID-19 is higher than the flu's global mortality rate. "Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected," he said. However, WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris said COVID-19's updated mortality rate is a "crudely calculated" snapshot based on the growing number of cases outside of China and is expected to "change over time, and vary from place to place."
Public health experts have warned that discrepancies in how different countries report individual cases and determine how contagious the new coronavirus is makes it hard to determine a precise global case count, and as a result, we don't yet have an accurate mortality rate. For instance, research published last week in JAMA suggests the mortality rate for the virus currently is around 2%, while a report published Friday in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) estimated the mortality rate is 1.4%.
According to an editorial published in NEJM by Anthony Fauci and Clifford Lane from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and CDC director Robert Redfield, the true death rate for the coronavirus could end up being below 1%, which would make it similar to the death rate seen in a severe flu season."
Is the new coronavirus deadlier than the flu?
Japanese coronavirus patient tests positive a SECOND time | Daily Mail Online
If this gets confirmed, many govt assumptions are going down the drain.
If this gets confirmed, many govt assumptions are going down the drain.
not the lethality rate of standard flu in less that 1 per mille
unlucky this is not a news, already from China came news you can get it again but there were some hope in test wrong
mikewint
Captain
Marcel, you had me for a bit with that name. Here in the US it is called Acetaminophen or under the brand name TYLENOL. Got to be very careful about overdosing as it has some very negative affects on the liver.
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