Coronavirus Thread

Airframes · Mar 17, 2020

Got an e-mail from Imperial War Museum this evening.
As of tonight (17th March) all of their sites, including Duxford, will close until further notice. So I guess no airshows this year which, given the seriousness of the Covid virus, is understandable, and a minor inconvenience anyway, as travel has been restricted, albeit voluntarily at the moment, so not a sensible thing to do, going to mass gatherings.
Some difficult and life-changing times ahead for all of us.
As I fall into the 'vulnerable' group, due to the RA, I'm one of those who should self-isolate. Going to be tricky, as I'll need to get out to do essential shopping - on-line ordering from supermarkets currently has a two week waiting list, so that's not a viable option, but I'm sure I'll manage.
My thoughts are with those who may or will be affected by the restrictions, and lose income etc and, of course, those in the health services, already stretched, who have to carry on.

The Basket · Mar 17, 2020

My thoughts are that young children from bad homes can use school as an escape and also get meals.

Now that could be removed and vulnerable children could be more vulnerable. It's just a sad time.

Zipper730 · Mar 17, 2020

The Basket said:
Many companies may collapse.

Makes sense, it'll have catastrophic effects on the economy.

vikingBerserker said:
According to below, South Korea has tested 274,504 people, of which 8,236 were positive with 75 deaths.
That's a death rate of less than 1%.

That would put it in the same range as the standard flu.

The mortality rate for Influenza is about 0.1% not 1%. This would be something like 9-10% as deadly. The reason these stats diverge from other nations is that they tested virtually everybody instead of just severe, maybe moderate cases. There are some people who show no symptoms, others fairly mild: These people usually are not tested.

Seems we should just employ common sense more than shutting down the world

While I do think people are greatly overreacting to this, and spreading a great degree of fear and panic: This isn't a matter to simply ignore.

mikewint said:
Marcel, you had me for a bit with that name. Here in the US it is called Acetaminophen or under the brand name TYLENOL. Got to be very careful about overdosing as it has some very negative affects on the liver.

Yeah 2 x 325 mg every 4-6 hours is the maximum recommended dose.

Zipper730 · Mar 17, 2020

As for the other things that are a troubling pattern

There are people who have been infected, recovered, then got infected again. I'm not sure if this is due to mutations, or due to the fact that the body simply does not develop an immunity to this.
Vaccines: It takes awhile to make a vaccine because of safety requirements. An infectious-disease specialist could probably whip up one in a day or two, but there's no guarantees as to how safe it'd be.

fubar57 · Mar 17, 2020

Three more deaths in B.C. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...-186-cases-of-covid-19-and-7-deaths-1.5500783

"Two of the new deaths in B.C. are connected to the ongoing outbreak at Lynn Valley Care Centre in North Vancouver and the third is a man in his 80s who died in hospital in the Fraser Health region. All four of B.C.'s previous deaths were also connected to the North Vancouver care home"

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Mar 17, 2020

The Basket said:
My thoughts are that young children from bad homes can use school as an escape and also get meals.

Now that could be removed and vulnerable children could be more vulnerable. It's just a sad time.

What is sad is that so many children rely on going to school to get a meal. Down in Louisiana where I lived, 50% of all children in the town would only get one meal a day were it not for the school. They even stayed open in the summer time to feed the kids.

The Basket · Mar 17, 2020

Mental health will struggle in the days ahead perhaps increasing suicides.

Anxious people have more to be anxious about such as illness and death of loved ones. Financial issues and job insecurity. Social isolation will be reasons for loneliness and lack of support from friends and family.

And of course feeling of one's own demise. I don't fear for myself, but worst case scenario is very very bad. I do fear something terrible is brewing.

pbehn · Mar 17, 2020

Germans are panic buying sausages AND cheese. It's the wurst käse scenario!

fubar57 · Mar 17, 2020

Crimea_River · Mar 17, 2020

Well, I thought it was funny. I think he can stay.

N4521U · Mar 17, 2020

We need a Ham Hock emogie!

michael rauls · Mar 17, 2020

I can think of a realy bad worst case scenario. Not sure if I should roll this out but here goes.
If the vaccine is ineffective or the virus is able to mutate like the flu so that said vaccine is only effective some years more than others and some not at all......and it returns yearly like the flu or cold at some point society will be forced to just accept it like the common flu because the alternative would be for the entire world to go on lockdown 4 or 5 months of every year, wich would result in complete economic and resulting societal collapse.
The results would be tens of millions of deaths worldwide every year for a decade or two until the population built up some sort of immunity.
Lets pray that vaccine works and works well.

michael rauls · Mar 17, 2020

I should be clear. I don't think the abouve scenario is the most likely outcome but one that does have me a little worried.......perhaps unduly......I hope.

gumbyk · Mar 17, 2020

michael rauls said:
I can think of a realy bad worst case scenario. Not sure if I should roll this out but here goes.
If the vaccine is ineffective or the virus is able to mutate like the flu so that said vaccine is only effective some years more than others and some not at all......and it returns yearly like the flu or cold at some point society will be forced to just accept it like the common flu because the alternative would be for the entire world to go on lockdown 4 or 5 months of every year, wich would result in complete economic and resulting societal collapse.
The results would be tens of millions of deaths worldwide every year for a decade or two until the population built up some sort of immunity.
Lets pray that vaccine works and works well.

The problem is, if its like the common cold or flu, then it could mutate so regularly that people won't develop a natural immunity to it, just like the flu or cold.

michael rauls · Mar 17, 2020

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
What is sad is that so many children rely on going to school to get a meal. Down in Louisiana where I lived, 50% of all children in the town would only get one meal a day were it not for the school. They even stayed open in the summer time to feed the kids.

In Los Angeles its 80% of kids that are on free or reduced cost lunch.......Something has gone terribly wrong.

michael rauls · Mar 17, 2020

gumbyk said:
The problem is, if its like the common cold or flu, then it could mutate so regularly that people won't develop a natural immunity to it, just like the flu or cold.

Well I do have a somewhat positive response to that. Years ago I heard a doctor explain why children get nonstop colds and as you get older you get fewer although they may be more severe.
What he said was that once people have a particular strain of cold you are imune to it. Its just that there are dozens of strains. As you get older you have been exposed to and become immune to more and more strains.
So after a couple decades society as a whole would develop some degree of immunity to this, which would be a little bit of a silver lining on an otherwise very dark cloud.

MiTasol · Mar 18, 2020

The Basket said:
My thoughts are that young children from bad homes can use school as an escape and also get meals.

Now that could be removed and vulnerable children could be more vulnerable. It's just a sad time.

That almost falls into the unintended consequences basket like being killed or wounded by friendly fire. To governments everywhere this is just a statistic.

To the victims it is hell on earth

TheMadPenguin · Mar 18, 2020

pbehn said:
Germans are panic buying sausages AND cheese. It's the wurst käse scenario!

This jape is as contagious as the COVID itself!

GrauGeist · Mar 18, 2020

Just curious, but why wasn't there this level of concern with the Swine Flu, Bird Flu, West Nile, Zika or Ebola pandemics?

MiTasol · Mar 18, 2020

GrauGeist said:
Just curious, but why wasn't there this level of concern with the Swine Flu, Bird Flu, West Nile, Zika or Ebola pandemics?

Ask yourself these questions - how many people actually died from all those combined and how many have died from Corvid-19 (7171 reported in about 100 days but China and Iran are known to under report). Now you have your answer.

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