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hmm Italy is closing down. Hopefully other countries don't follow. I have a trip planned with my son to London at the end of April. Would unfortunate if the museums were closed when we are there.

Marcel said:

hmm Italy is closing down. Hopefully other countries don't follow. I have a trip planned with my son to London at the end of April. Would unfortunate if the museums were closed when we are there.

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You can follow the current situation in the UK here.

Coronavirus (COVID-19): latest information and advice

Obviously I don't have a crystal ball, but I do think that as a rue the UK authorities are less likely to be prone to knee jerk reactions than some places. It really depend how the situation develops. I'm off to Cosford next Sunday and am fully expecting to do so.

Marcel said:

hmm Italy is closing down. Hopefully other countries don't follow. I have a trip planned with my son to London at the end of April. Would unfortunate if the museums were closed when we are there.

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So far the British response seems to be a little different to others. The focus is on delay and management of the spread, hope it goes well.

Was at a conference last week for all the Head Chefs in our hotel group.

Spent an hour on Coronavirus effect on our supply chain and how ot might effect guest numbers, pretty worrying business wise

Sid327 said:

It's on YT for everyone to see.
I don't agree with it; but felt the forum people might want to see......don't assume I posted it because I support the theory.
Remove the post if it's contentious.

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Fair enough... It will stay for now, glad you clarified.

Heard some maner of financial expert on the radio yesterday say he thought more people in poor countries might die from the the worldwide over reaction than the virus itself due to economic effects. I.e. in the poorest countries when the economy tanks, people starve.
Hard to even guess if this guy is right, whether the numbers could be more or less or about equal but it will for sure happen to some degree and that is most unfortunate.

Chris, I've only heard a singlr case confirmed in MO

St. Louis Public Radio KWMU -
A 22-year-old St. Louis County woman who was studying in Italy is now presumed to be the state's first confirmed case of COVID-19, the disease spread by the new coronavirus.
Gov. Mike Parson and other officials announced late Saturday that the woman is in isolation at home with members of her family, who also have been in isolation.

Mercy Hospital St. Louis discharged the patient Saturday because she was not sick enough to be hospitalized. The self-quarantine will last 14 days after the patient no longer has symptoms.
St. Louis County Executive Sam Page said the woman will not be supervised. "What we found is that everyone is very cooperative. They understand the risk that they put others to," he said.
Page urged people to "keep things in perspective," adding that it is not a time to panic.

Health officials expect the woman, who attends an out-of-state college, to begin improving immediately.
Local health officials are identifying people who the woman came in contact with to monitor any symptoms they may have and try to contain the spread of the virus, state officials said.
A test analyzed by the Missouri State Public Health Laboratory has been sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, officials said. It could take up to five days for the CDC to confirm the case.

"I am confident in the work of the Department of Health and Senior Services and the St. Louis County Public Health Department and know that they will do what they can to protect the health and safety of Missouri communities," Parson said.

He held a press conference in Clayton with local officials to announce the case.
There have been five confirmed cases in Illinois, all in the Chicago area. State and local health officials are monitoring its spread and are prepared to quarantine those who test positive.
The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services has tested 26 people for COVID-19 including the St. Louis County woman. Three other tests are in progress.
Randall Williams, director of the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services, said the travel-acquired case is what state health officials have been expecting.

How many people have been tested in the US?

There are certainly many people exhibiting mild symptoms who are infected, but unless tested will not be identified.

In the UK well over 25,000 have been tested. The equivalent number for the US, given the different populations, would be about 125,000. I can't even find a figure for the US, I just find reports on the test kits that were useless.

Not exactly the Army film but some of you may remember....

Posted by the Atlantic: Updated at 4:10 p.m. E.T. on March 7, 2020.

It's one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?

This number would give a sense of how widespread the disease is, and how forceful a response to it the United States is mustering. But for days, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has refused to publish such a count, despite public anxiety and criticism from Congress. On Monday, Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, estimated that "by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed" in the United States. On Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence promised that "roughly 1.5 million tests" would be available this week.
But the number of tests performed across the country has fallen far short of those projections, despite extraordinarily high demand, The Atlantic has found.

Read: You're likely to get the coronavirus

"The CDC got this right with H1N1 and Zika, and produced huge quantities of test kits that went around the country," Thomas Frieden, the director of the CDC from 2009 to 2017, told us. "I don't know what went wrong this time."

Through interviews with dozens of public-health officials and a survey of local data from across the country, The Atlantic could only verify that 1,895 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, about 10 percent of whom have tested positive. And while the American capacity to test for the coronavirus has ramped up significantly over the past few days, local officials can still test only several thousand people a day, not the tens or hundreds of thousands indicated by the White House's promises.

To arrive at our estimate, we contacted the public-health departments of all 50 states and the District of Columbia. We gathered data on websites, and we corresponded with dozens of state officials. All 50 states and D.C. have made some information available, though the quality and timeliness of the data varied widely. Some states have only committed to releasing their numbers once or three times a week. Most are focused on the number of confirmed cases; only a few have publicized the number of people they are capable of testing.

Read: The official coronavirus numbers are wrong, and everyone knows it

The Atlantic's numbers reflect the best available portrait of the country's testing capacity as of early this morning. These numbers provide an accurate baseline, but they are incomplete. Scattered on state websites, the data available are not useful to citizens or political leaders. State-based tallies lack the reliability of the CDC's traditional—but now abandoned—method of reporting. Several states—including New Jersey, Texas, and Louisiana—have not shared on their official website the number of coronavirus tests they have conducted overall, meaning their number of positive results lacks crucial context. Louisiana's governor has conducted press conferences noting the overall number of tests (5) and positive results (0).*

The net effect of these choices is that the country's true capacity for testing has not been made clear to its residents. This level of obfuscation is unexpected in the United States, which has long been a global leader in public-health transparency.

The figures we gathered suggest that the American response to the coronavirus and the disease it causes, COVID-19, has been shockingly sluggish, especially compared with that of other developed countries. The CDC confirmed eight days ago that the virus was in community transmission in the United States—that it was infecting Americans who had neither traveled abroad nor were in contact with others who had. In South Korea, more than 66,650 people were tested within a week of its first case of community transmission, and it quickly became able to test 10,000 people a day. The United Kingdom, which has only 115 positive cases, has so far tested 18,083 people for the virus.

Normally, the job of gathering these types of data in the U.S. would be left to epidemiologists at the CDC. The agency regularly collects and publishes positive and negative test results for several pathogens, including multiple types of the seasonal flu. But earlier this week, the agency announced that it would stop publishing negative results for the coronavirus, an extraordinary step that essentially keeps Americans from knowing how many people have been tested overall.

Read: What you can do right now about the coronavirus

"With more and more testing done at states, these numbers would not be representative of the testing being done nationally," Nancy Messonnier, the chief CDC official for respiratory diseases, said at the time. "States are reporting results quickly, and in the event of a discrepancy between CDC and state case counts, the state case counts should always be considered more up to date."

mikewint said:

Chris, I've only heard a singlr case confirmed in MO

St. Louis Public Radio KWMU -
A 22-year-old St. Louis County woman who was studying in Italy is now presumed to be the state's first confirmed case of COVID-19, the disease spread by the new coronavirus.
Gov. Mike Parson and other officials announced late Saturday that the woman is in isolation at home with members of her family, who also have been in isolation.

Mercy Hospital St. Louis discharged the patient Saturday because she was not sick enough to be hospitalized. The self-quarantine will last 14 days after the patient no longer has symptoms.
St. Louis County Executive Sam Page said the woman will not be supervised. "What we found is that everyone is very cooperative. They understand the risk that they put others to," he said.
Page urged people to "keep things in perspective," adding that it is not a time to panic.

Health officials expect the woman, who attends an out-of-state college, to begin improving immediately.
Local health officials are identifying people who the woman came in contact with to monitor any symptoms they may have and try to contain the spread of the virus, state officials said.
A test analyzed by the Missouri State Public Health Laboratory has been sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, officials said. It could take up to five days for the CDC to confirm the case.

"I am confident in the work of the Department of Health and Senior Services and the St. Louis County Public Health Department and know that they will do what they can to protect the health and safety of Missouri communities," Parson said.

He held a press conference in Clayton with local officials to announce the case.
There have been five confirmed cases in Illinois, all in the Chicago area. State and local health officials are monitoring its spread and are prepared to quarantine those who test positive.
The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services has tested 26 people for COVID-19 including the St. Louis County woman. Three other tests are in progress.
Randall Williams, director of the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services, said the travel-acquired case is what state health officials have been expecting.

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Mike isn't that what I said? The first confirmed case.

I live here Mike. I live outside of Saint Louis. Hense why I said the first confirmed case. More than 20 have been tested in area hospitals. 17 have come back negative, 1 has come back positive, and 3 are possible and awaiting results.

You just posted a link telling ne what I already know, and what I said myself. What I see on the local news.

Es tut mir leid! Just thought I'd expand upon your statement and I had not heard of the others being tested. Living just South of you MO development concern be personally

mikewint said:

Es tut mir leid! Just thought I'd expand upon your statement and I had not heard of the others being tested. Living just South of you MO development concern be personally

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Nothing to apologize for. You are good.

You just come across sometimes like you are trying to teach people things they don't need to be taught about, when you copy and paste these lengthy responses to them.

Like when you tried to explain airspeed and groundspeed to me. Or when you tried to teach Marcel, who happens to be a microbiologist, about how viruses work.

Try not quoting their post when you do that.

Chris, Thanks for the second post but to reclarify I thought that I had cleared up that air/ground speed thingy. Though this is an aircraft forum lots of us are non-pilots and have not come within shouting distance of your experience and I am well aware of that expertise so that I would direct that towards you is not within the realm of even slightly possible. There were several posts that seemed to me to indicate confusion and so I thought that as a non-airplane guy I could use a non-airplane analogy to elucidate the concept. I thought that I had clearly stated unequivocally that it was not directed even in your general direction.
As to Marcel he had asked me if I was aware that corona was an RNA-type virus. That was in response to my posting mentioning DNA. I did not make clear in that post that I was quoting from an article in the Journal of Virology published by a Chinese researcher. The confusion arose, I suspect, when the article written in Chinese (Mandarin?) was translated into English for the article. I should have made clearer that Those were not my words. I suspect that the researcher had probably read a general term like "Nucleic Acid" which came across as DNA to him. Personally, at the time I was not aware that Covid-19 was RNA based though I suspected that it would follow suit along with both SARS and MERS. The poikilothermic/homothermic passage was also up for grabs though I thought it unlikely. Viruses do strange things moving through species, SARS had passed into Civits and MERS into Camels of all critters
I will try to be more specific in the future

michael rauls said:

Heard some maner of financial expert on the radio yesterday say he thought more people in poor countries might die from the the worldwide over reaction than the virus itself due to economic effects. I.e. in the poorest countries when the economy tanks, people starve.

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I agree, the overreaction to this is overkill.

In Italy, nowadays, if you heard a burglar breaking into your house all you have to do is to sneeze.
But not more than once, otherwise an Italian Judge could charge you for an abuse of an excess of legitimate defence.

Here, I only have to cough if I want to have 2 weeks off

Or find a hole in your level A PPE AFTER work

Marcel said:

Here, I only have to cough if I want to have 2 weeks off

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Same here!!! !!! !!! !!! !!! ???