**** DONE: 1/72 Fairey Firefly AS5 - Your Favourite Aircraft of All Time GB

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  1. parsifal

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    #1 parsifal, Mar 22, 2012
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    My second build for this GB is intended to be a companion build for the Fury I have recently completed. Its a Fairey Firefly AS5 or 6 (they are virtually identical in appearance) from 817 Sqn, HMAS Sydney 1951-2.

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    Fairey Firefly Royal Australian Navy - My Favourite Aircraft Of All Time (well one of them)
    User name: Parsifal
    Name: Michael
    Category: 1, Beginner
    Kit: Special Hobby” Fairey Firefly AS5/6
    Scale: 1/72.
    Accessories: None at this stage


    Some background of 817 Sqn in Korea

    21st CAG began carrier qualifications aboard Sydney in April 1951. On 14 May, 817 Squadron were advised that they, along with 805 and 808 Squadrons, would form part of a new Sydney Carrier Air Group under the command of Commander (later Vice Admiral Sir) Mike Fell, RN, and deploy to Korea later that year. New pilots, many straight out of training, hurriedly converted to local operating procedures and the squadron's aircraft, Firefly AS.6s, had to be replaced temporarily with AS.5 aircraft borrowed from 816 Squadron and the Royal Navy. The reason for this was that the AS.6 model Firefly did not have any guns whereas the AS.5 did. The AS.5's guns were considered necessary for the types of operations that the Fireflies would be undertaking in Korea, a consideration which was subsequently proven to be correct. 817 Squadron departed for Korea aboard Sydney on 31 August 1951. Sydney arrived in Japan on 19 September and prepared for a handover from HMS Glory. According to most histories the aircraft of the Sydney CAG now bore black and white markings signifying that they were on operations with the United Nations (UN). However, as the following photographs show, there is at least one shot showing Furies carrying the Invasion Stripes and the fireflies embarked not having such markings. There is also a lot of confusion about where the fuselage numbers and roundels were placed relative to the stripes. I have one photo from the war memorial in Canberra, saying it was shot in 1954 (but still under UN control), of aircraft S/N 239 with no stripes. I am also still a little unsure of the actual placement of roundels and numbers over or next to the striping. I hope to have this issue sorted by the time I get to that point

    Participating in Operation 'Strangle,' which was intended to cut enemy supply and communications to the front lines, Sydney shared patrol duties on Korea's west coast with RN and US Navy (USN) carriers as part of Task Force 95, United Nations Blockade and Escort Force. Seven patrols of roughly 13 days duration, including four days in transit to and from bases in Japan, were originally planned. Operations normally entailed ground attack including close air support for ground forces, armed reconnaissance, spotting for ships guns and anti-shipping strike missions. In addition, the CAG maintained a Combat Area Patrol (CAP) during daylight hours to protect Sydney in the event of an enemy air attack.

    Sydney's CAG launched its first air strikes on 5 October 1951. It did not take long before the air group earned a reputation as being a proficient strike unit having carried out a number of very successful missions against rail and road bridge targets. Fireflies proved exceptional in this role, the patented wing design allowed slower attack speeds and ensured stable platforms for bomb and rocket attacks. Rail and road interdiction became the main role of the squadron throughout the Korean War and this often required the pilots to use low level attacks against heavily defended targets behind enemy lines. Anti-aircraft fire was particularly effective under these circumstances and several Fireflies were lost or damaged as a result. Anti-submarine patrols were also flown by 817 Squadron around the Sydney task group and spotting tasks were also conducted for ships involved in Naval Gunfire Support off the Korean coastline.

    Just six days after flying its first sorties, on 11 October, Sydney's CAG achieved a light fleet carrier record of 89 sorties in one day conducting attacking raids and targeting sorties for USS New Jersey.

    Aircraft engineers and maintenance crews also won much well deserved praise achieving remarkable serviceability and turn-around rates to keep the aircraft flying. Ordnance crews were also required to load armaments of up to 227 kg in all weather, day and night.

    On 14 October, 817 Squadron's personnel were subjected to the full force of Typhoon Ruth. Battling an estimated force 12 sea at its height, and with waves up to 45 feet high crashing over her deck, Sydney rode out the storm at sea with 13 of her aircraft exposed on deck. It was hardly surprising that five of them were written off with at least one being washed over board. The carrier itself sustained damage and several of her personnel suffered minor injuries.

    During flying operations on 25-26 October, three of Sydney's aircraft were shot down and a fourth badly damaged. One of these, a Firefly from 817 Squadron, piloted by SBLT Neil MacMillan and CPO Phillip Hancox was forced down in a frozen rice paddy 50 miles behind enemy lines. The two downed aviators resisted capture by enemy soldiers with the aid of an Owen sub-machine gun and a protective overhead umbrella provided by Sea Furies from Sydney and Meteor jet fighters from the Royal Australian Air Force's (RAAF) 77 Squadron. The two airmen were later rescued by Sydney's Dragonfly helicopter which had flown 172 kilometres to carry out the rescue at the limit of its endurance. It then recovered to Kimpo and returned to Sydney with its passengers the following day. The helicopter pilot, CPO Arlene 'Dick' Babbit, USN, was awarded the Commonwealth Distinguished Service Medal as well as the United States Navy Cross for his efforts that day, earning the distinction of being the only allied serviceman in Korea to receive the awards of two nations for the same action.

    With the onset of the Korean winter, flying operations became increasingly difficult for both the aircrew and maintainers of 817 Squadron. The icy conditions and subzero temperature on Sydney's windswept, and at times, snow covered flight deck resulted in a number of cases of frostbite and introduced the additional hazard of aircrew freezing to death if an aircraft was forced to ditch at sea.
    Sydney's last raids were scheduled for 25 January 1952, striking directly on the North Korean capital of Pyongyang. Extremely poor weather, however, caused the mission to be cancelled and Sydney returned to Australia a few days later via Sasebo and Hong Kong.

    Collectively, Sydney's CAG had flown 2366 sorties for the loss of three lives (all from 805 Squadron) and 14 aircraft (five of which were lost overboard or damaged beyond repair by Cyclone Ruth). Sydney had achieved an enviable operational record in Korea and it was noted that enemy activity decreased significantly in Sydney's area of operations.

    The Kit is the Special hobby AS5 which i have only just received from England. I also have an airfix kit, which i pland to build outside the competition with the wings folded. i chose the Special hobby kit because it has cockpit details and far superior canopy
     
  2. parsifal

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    Now for the photos. one thing Ive found with this project in my research is that the modern restorations are allover the place regarding placement of the roundels and numbering over/beside the Invasion striping, or if the invasion striping was at all times worn on the aircraft of 817 sqn. Any advice on this would be much appreciated guys
     

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    Great choice mate! Have to get that kit myself one day...
     
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    Yep another nice choice... :)

    These ID B&W strips ( in fact not the invasion striping but similar to the one used for D-day only) were introduced in July 1950. I found out that the 817th Squadron began carrier qualifications aboard Sydney in April 1951. According to info I have found via the Net the HMAS Sidney and her 21st. CAG entered operations on 5 October 1951.So by the time these could have stayed without these strips. Additionally , the squadron was equipped with Firefly AS.6s and had to replace them temporarily with AS.5 aircraft borrowed from 816 Squadron and the Royal Navy. So, it might have taken some time to repaint planes fully.

    Here is a picture I found via the Internet showing Firefly planes of the 817th Squadron on the deck of the HMAS Sidney... strips can be noticed. Also please notice that digits of side numbers were of Black with white and sky background and White with the black one.

    Source... The aircraft carrier HMAS Sydney | China Intervenes in the Korean War | Australia's involvement in the Korean War
     

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    Well thats pretty good evidence that I do need to make stripes and numbers to suit. There is a problem though. There are no aftermarket decal sets for RAN Fireflies, so I will have to attempt this myself. There are two types of blank Decal sheet available....white backed and clear backed. This particular detail needs both....a white background for the black stripes and the white letters and black letter superimposed, and clear background for the bit of lettering outside the UN stripes. This means I will have to make two copies of the same decal and cut it along the edge of the outer white striping.

    There is an additional problem to solve. We have the letter positioning for one side, but what about the other side? How much of the lettering for a/c s/n 208 (K) on its port side is hanging within the white and black striping.

    Though Ive seen the phot posted by wurger before, ive never seen a phot of the other side of the aircraft....its likley I will have to make a 'best guess" on this one
     
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    I don't think you need to print numbers. Just use the RAF markings of Xtradecal. These were almost the same as memo serves. And it is more likely there can be something fitted.

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    Also you can find the AeroMaster 1/72 Scale Fairey Firefly Pt.1 ...

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    I have found nice shots of other Fairey Firefly on the Sidney deck and in flight. Believing the captions for the four first pics these were taken in 1950. And it might be an evidence that these strips were applied much later.

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    I don't think there were any "revelations" on the other side of the plane. Just the same rules like for the starboard one.

    To make it clear you can have a look at the site...

    Fairey Firefly FR.5 by Mike Prince (Grand Phoenix / Kitbash 1/48 )
     
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    And the next shot found...

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    Nice little selection Michael with good pictures from both you and Wojtek
     
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    nice,did you get the pics i sent you
     
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    Really nice choice Michael. I shall watch this with great interest.
     
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    Wotjek

    thankyou so much for the photos. They really are helpful as are the shots provided by Woljags (which i will post tonite).

    I think there is less regimentation in the application of invasion stripes for 817 aircraft than there was for the two Sea Fury sqns. I suspect a lot of that arose from the late exchange of their unarmed AS6s with the 20mm cannon armed AS5s of RN 816 sqn.

    I know I am swinging a bit aimlessly at this minute, but I may or may not include striping on my model. I will look firstly at the time period, secondly at the specific aircraft i am recreating, and lastly just how difficult it might be to get the effect I would like if i do apply the striping.

    In the meantime I hope to get started on this one this weekend.
     
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    Good choice Michael. The stripes, as Wojtek pointed out, would be standard positions, with the codes in same positions port/starboard. The discrepancy of stripes/no stripes is simple - they were only applied when the aircraft served in the war zone - Korean War. Before, and after service in the war, the stripes would not be present.
     
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    Hi Terry

    if you had come to me a week ago i would have not hesitated to agree with you. But since then I have uncovered a number of photos, a coule of which i have posted that show fireflies operating from the carrier, with furies displaying the invasion striping, whilst the firefies do not. I dont have a defnite answer for that. i suspect it was just after the exchange with 816 sqn occurred. Maybe the Sydney was in the zone of operations, or maybe she was just outside, i dont know, but there you have clear photographic evidence of one type with stripes operating right next to another (the Firefly) without stripes applied.

    Like I said, I dont have an answer why that might be, it just "be" the case.
     
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    One thing I can deduce from the photos....by the time the typhoon struck (11-14 October) striping had been applied. A/C S/N 201 K with the broken landing gear as well as the other shots taken of the firelfies on the carrier during the typhoon are indisputably within the zone of operations, and indisputably displaying UN striping by that time. Given that flight ops did not start until 5 October, and that i want to display the type whilst on operations, or in the operational area, it is probably most accurate to apply striping.

    Gosh i like how I give myself hard tasks to complete...


    I could still complete the model with or without striping and validly claim the model accurately represent Sydneys Korean war deployment. But if I want to show the Fireflies within that critical time period October 1951 to January 1952, I have to put stripes on the aircraft.
     
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    I know absolutely nothing about this plane so this will be a learning experience, nice choice Michael.:thumbleft: :cool:
     
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    don't worry about the strips Micheal they are quite easy to do just take your time and use a low tac masking tape,i do all my painting by fine brush,i leave the spray painting for larger projects
     
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    nice choice Michael look forward to your build!
     
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    Fantastic info Wojtek!

    Mike, I've got the Xtradecal sheet of Black lettering and numbering, so let me know if you need any (including sizes).
     
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    This is an early attempt at getting the fuselage striping organized. Image will be the basis of a home made "aftermarket" decal. I really suck at e drawing so dont laugh please. Still needs a lot of clean up , but basic positioning is correct as is the curving for the stripes
     

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