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Thanks... it doesn't look right with the German insignia. Viva orange!

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Hi Eric,

>Being of Dutch heritage myself, it irks me to see a Dutch plane with German markings. Fokker Aircraft was one heck of a company.

Hm, no doubt about the latter, but with regard to the former - I believe the first couple of thousand Fokker planes had their German markings factory-applied :)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
 
1. Close up of crashed G.1A 302
2 G.1B 361 was at Waalhaven on May 1940. AFAIK it wasn't used in the war, so I don't know what it's doing here on the highway seemingly crashlanded. Any info appreciated:!:
3 and 4: G.1B 341 was at Schiphol in May 1940 and was very quickly armed with 4 7.62mm MG's and rushed into acton on May 12th. Here captured after May 14th.
5. Close-up of the 361 wreckage
6. line Drawing of the G.1A
 

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1. G.1A 302 before the war
2. Eveningflight, G.1A from 3e JaVA (3-II-1 LvR)
3. Prototype
4. Warming engines in the snow (prototype)
5. Engine running, unknown G.1
 

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I still have this on the 'back burner' for profiling...

Keep up the good work - more references = better end result 8)
 
Some more photo's come popping up..

1-4 312 captured with flat tires
5. Maintenance to the business end of the G.1
 

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Captured 310.
middle one is probably the 300, in German colours at a Belgian airfield. There are also some Fiat CR.42's
 

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Hi Marcel,

>The Fokker G.I is the one plane from Fokker that I really admire.

I like the type too, though Fokker has in fact produced quite a number of admirable designs :)

As a spin-off from this thread ...

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/battle-britain-16338.html

... here some data from Tony Wood's list of Luftwaffe claims:

http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/tonywood.htm

"Date,"Rank","Fname","Lname","Unit","JG","Claimed","Location","Time","Claim.","St_Claim","RLM","Prim_Source","Conf.","Sec_Source","Notes"
13-5-1940 0:00:00,"Hptm.","Karl","Ebbighausen","4.","JG 26","Fokker G.1","Dordrecht","07.20"," 2"," 14","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",
12-5-1940 0:00:00,"Oberst","Theo","Osterkamp","Stab","JG 51","Fokker G-1","Soesterberg","-"," 1st"," 1","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",
10-5-1940 0:00:00,"Ofw.","Hermann","Förster","11.(N)","JG 2","Fokker G-1","Raum Rotterdam","-"," 3"," 6","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",
10-5-1940 0:00:00,"Ofw.","Hermann","Förster","11.(N)","JG 2","Fokker G-1","Raum Rotterdam","-"," 4"," 7","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",

As mentioned in the discussion referred to above, the G.1 claimed by Osterkamp at least cannot have been one of the aircraft whose fate has been established without doubt.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
 
G'day Marcel. Found this in an old magazine the other day, the original design that led to the G.1? Fokker design No. 129...

 
I always wondered what the G.I and D.XXI would have been capable of with Allison engines. The Allison was a great engine at the time and it could have been built under contract by Renault.

The armament should have been 4x20mm (Oerlikon) cannon for the G.I and 2x20mm for the D.XXI. The 7.92mm was just not an efficient weapon for taking down aircraft.

If the Luftwaffe had been facing a Super G.I with 2000hp supplemented by a Super D.21 with 1000hp, it might have made a big difference.

In the early war, Germany was using unescorted Stukas. They would be easy pickings for any fighter planes and the Wermacht might have been stalled long enough for the French army to get off its' arse and plug the gap.
 
Hi Marcel,

>The Fokker G.I is the one plane from Fokker that I really admire.

I like the type too, though Fokker has in fact produced quite a number of admirable designs :)

As a spin-off from this thread ...

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/battle-britain-16338.html

... here some data from Tony Wood's list of Luftwaffe claims:

http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/tonywood.htm

"Date,"Rank","Fname","Lname","Unit","JG","Claimed","Location","Time","Claim.","St_Claim","RLM","Prim_Source","Conf.","Sec_Source","Notes"
13-5-1940 0:00:00,"Hptm.","Karl","Ebbighausen","4.","JG 26","Fokker G.1","Dordrecht","07.20"," 2"," 14","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",
12-5-1940 0:00:00,"Oberst","Theo","Osterkamp","Stab","JG 51","Fokker G-1","Soesterberg","-"," 1st"," 1","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",
10-5-1940 0:00:00,"Ofw.","Hermann","Förster","11.(N)","JG 2","Fokker G-1","Raum Rotterdam","-"," 3"," 6","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",
10-5-1940 0:00:00,"Ofw.","Hermann","Förster","11.(N)","JG 2","Fokker G-1","Raum Rotterdam","-"," 4"," 7","yes","OKL",,"Prien/Bock",

As mentioned in the discussion referred to above, the G.1 claimed by Osterkamp at least cannot have been one of the aircraft whose fate has been established without doubt.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Hi Henning,

Thanks. The two at Rotterdam I can confirm, one being the one crashing near Zevenbergen and the one near Vlaardingen.
The one above Dordrecht is also quite known, it crashed near Ridderkerk and I wrote the story here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/stories/last-dutch-bombers-7126.html

I found something interesting about the one at Soesterberg. No. 325 attacked groundtargets near Wageningen between 16.25-18.25h. During that flight the a/c was heavily damaged and had to land at Soesterberg (abandoned LVA airfield near Utrecht). The a/c was scrapped after landing. Not quite as the account of Osterman, but at least the area and type of a/c and time are right :)
Oh, BTW, the picture of 310 I told you about, it's on post 31.
 
I always wondered what the G.I and D.XXI would have been capable of with Allison engines. The Allison was a great engine at the time and it could have been built under contract by Renault.
Fokker had considered to use either RR Merlins or DB600/601 engines. In fact in May 1940 they were in the process of designing the CG.2 as a follow up of the G.1 and this one was engined with DB601A's. A mockup was already made, but there never was a prototype.

The armament should have been 4x20mm (Oerlikon) cannon for the G.I and 2x20mm for the D.XXI. The 7.92mm was just not an efficient weapon for taking down aircraft.
The G.I was designed to carry 2 20mm canons and 2 7.92 MM MG's. The Dutch Government decided differently. In fact all smaller wasp (B) types were to be armed with the cannons. They were meant for export. They were rushed into action on May 14th with only 4 7.92mm MG's which were in stock. (I imagine it was quite an enginering job, given the time they had)
Denmark used 2 20mm guns on the D.XXI and Finland tested them as well, but it was unsuccesful. We discussed that in this thread: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/fokker-d-xxi-dutch-service-15060-2.html

If the Luftwaffe had been facing a Super G.I with 2000hp supplemented by a Super D.21 with 1000hp, it might have made a big difference.

In the early war, Germany was using unescorted Stukas. They would be easy pickings for any fighter planes and the Wermacht might have been stalled long enough for the French army to get off its' arse and plug the gap.
In fact I believe the numbers were far too small and the tactical disadvantage was to great for it to have any impact. But imagine such a G.I if available to the luftwaffe for the BoB.
 
Fokker had considered to use either RR Merlins or DB600/601 engines. In fact in May 1940 they were in the process of designing the CG.2 as a follow up of the G.1 and this one was engined with DB601A's. A mockup was already made, but there never was a prototype.


The G.I was designed to carry 2 20mm canons and 2 7.92 MM MG's. The Dutch Government decided differently. In fact all smaller wasp (B) types were to be armed with the cannons. They were meant for export. They were rushed into action on May 14th with only 4 7.92mm MG's which were in stock. (I imagine it was quite an enginering job, given the time they had)
Denmark used 2 20mm guns on the D.XXI and Finland tested them as well, but it was unsuccesful. We discussed that in this thread: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/fokker-d-xxi-dutch-service-15060-2.html


In fact I believe the numbers were far too small and the tactical disadvantage was to great for it to have any impact. But imagine such a G.I if available to the luftwaffe for the BoB.
Would have been rough on the brits though I wonder if the G.I was any better of a dogfighter than the 110. I'd assume performance of the G.I in the BoB would have been similar to 110 performance.
 

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