P-40 Twin

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Ok, so back to Glen's original question:
I'd suggest looking at a P-61C's nacelles and wing ducting.
That should be the closest I can think of to the the P-47's cowling and engine.

At some point the designer has to make a decision as to whether this concept is just for looks or is supposed to be plausible. Without increasing wingspan, there isn't really any room for flaps on the trailing edge. It is even worse for the P-40.
Since I do these designs as 3D models, it is pretty easy to prototype something just to get an idea of the necessary planform for areas. I don't actually check the areas by eyeball; I wrote up a little program way back when my Son was still in High School which takes the vertices of a Wing or other polygon (think flap outline) and can calculate the area using Heron's Theorem. Son was doing something with the area of triangles and basically any polygon can be broken up into some number of triangles.

There is no reason the full induction system can't all fit in a nacelle. There is plenty of volume left over if there is no pilot or fuel tanks there and enough room for the entire main gear on each side as well.

Happy New Year Folks.



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He just wants to make a for-fun, what-if twin engined P-47, FFS - not a flyable combat beast.
 
Hello T Bolt,
Good to see this twin P-40 on the forum. It has been a few years since the first viewing.

As I recall it was a mock up built by ground staff of a P-40 Unit that was to be allotted the P-38.
So to familiarise the Units Pilots to handling a twin engined aircraft this mock up was assembled.
From memory it was only used to familiarise the pilot with the twin only ground taxiing.
There was no nose cone, just the flat(?) Area at the front where the original engine used to be, also the reason that there were no wing/fuselage fairings.

I forget now the name of the American aviation forum where the photo and details were first aired, perhaps one of this forum's members can recall it ?

All the very best
Happy New Year
Alex
 
Magnificent! Truly a work of art.
 
This looks amazing. I am curious though. Would the landing gear support the weight? Most twin engines aircraft seems to have more intricate equipment. I could be wrong and if so I apologize.
The P-40 had fairly robust landing gear, which enabled it to operate under a variety of conditions.

The P-40 "twin" would have only had the additional weight of the second V-1710 and cowling, which would have been far less than the weight of a full warload for a P-40 in combat.

Plus the "twin" was primarily for ground training, so taxiing around wouldn't have put too much stress on the main gear.
 
True, however the fuel supply would be increased as well or the double hawk would have very short legs. A lengthened fuselage as well to balance the new engine. I'm not saying that the landing gear would need much beefing up, but there would need to be some.
 
As far as I have ever seen, the P-40 twin never got airborn, it was relegated to static cockpit familiarization and ground rolls around the field's taxiways.

So additional fuel may not have been an issue, since the V-1710s weren't operated at full capacity.

The one thing I never heard about, was if there were any over heating issues during engine-on training.
 
Backtracking to the twin Thunderbolt? Give the design trends at Republic at the time? One could easily imagine a fuselage resembling the first P-84 with wings inspired by the XF-12, with some inspiration taken from the XP-72 and the XF-12 for the engine installation.
Never mind the minor details like landing gear design, fuel capacity, and other trivial concerns, it would make for a neat model.
 
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I've been thinking about a twin engined Mustang lately and thought it might be better to be based on the F-82 rather than the P-51. Well yesterday I picked up a cheep, unboxed 1/48th scale Modelcraft F-82 I could cut-up to make it work.
I spent a few hours working on the drawing below based on an F-82 drawing. The longer length of the F-82 would help, and I kept part of the F-82's connecting wing between the fuselage and nacelles giving it a longer wingspan than the P-51. I also gave it tricycle landing gear.
The drawing below is a work in progress, but I think it will work. The only thing I'm not sure of is what I can use for the nacelles behind the engines. If I do get started on it I'll start a new thread for it.

 
Interesting! Note that it would not need that belly radiator, but would need some out on the nacelles.

That reminds me. I need to dig out that kitbashed "Last Ditch Terror Attacker" I made from one Hawk 1/48 Baka and two Hawk 1/48 V-1's. I was looking through a Squadron sale flyer on the train during my daily trip home from the Pentagon circa 1990 and dreamed that one up.
 
Don't know how I'd eliminate the fuselage mounted radiator and still retain the look of the Mustang, which is the whole point. If I put them on the nacelles there would be no room for the landing gear unless I moved then up right behind the prop, but then it would look like a P-40. I think I'll just say that the fuselage radiator is a now a "High Efficiently" one that takes care of both engines.

Here is a quick comparison between one based on an F-82 and one based on a P-51

 

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