FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Pt2
"Mr. Metcalf,
I'd like to reply to your article on the Pentagon and aircraft debris, Warning - this won't be a short reply! Please visit this link for some explanations and photos I provided to threads at Free Republic which assist in answering some of the questions from the non-believers: http://www.fitzweb.com/military/pentagon/index.html My website posts primarily respond to people thinking the act was a truck bomb, not an aircraft.
I'm Chief Master Sergeant John Monaccio, I'm the senior Air Force enlisted police officer for the Air Force. I was in the Pentagon on Sep 11th, in room 1B461, when we were attacked. I personally participated in rescue and recovery operations immediately after the attack, and for days afterwards, and have direct observations of many details not mentioned previously, and of what I claim in this e-mail.
The French web site's questions have a validity due to the restrictions (my word) on news coverage and photos from the site - you don't get the entire picture from what's been released. I would suggest looking at the questions from a different angle to see why there was such a disparity in coverage from WTC and the Pentagon, thus leading to questions.
From the beginning, WTC was an open book with continual coverage, the Pentagon was not. The Pentagon houses 25,000 people, most of whom work on classified information in the routines of their day. The attack blew unimaginable amounts of classified documents and other classified media into open areas. Security containers were dislodged, sensitive operations areas blown open, and classified computers and papers littered the site. The raging fires created drafts carrying classified papers into the air and distributing them everywhere on the grounds of the Pentagon .
The corresponding law enforcement response brought in agents from every possible three letter abbreviated force, many who work undercover or covert operations. Protecting their identity is a concern so they can live to fight another battle another day.
I suggest those are the reasons why access to photos, videos, etc., have been limited. For example, I was in room 1B461. The plane's inertia carried aircraft remains all the way through the building coming to rest on the outside walls of our offices. We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area.
I worked with the FBI gathering evidence in an attempt to confirm the company the airliner was from so they could track it back to it's point of origin. While doing so, we found certain religious items from the hijackers. The evidence collection process was filmed by a civilian crew working for Arlington County. The crew filmed the evidence amongst reams of classified information at the scene. Similar problems with classified existed everywhere. Photographers had the same problems of any picture they took on scene.
Now to the questions:
1. The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.
How can a Boeing 757-200 weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon?
The answer is that the plane did damage the rest of the building, it just didn't cause it to collapse. The plane hit at a 45% angle to the face of the building. An impact hole was clearly made (reference the web site photos), and the aircraft and wreckage continued some 240' through the rings of the building coming to rest in A&E Drive. The engines were buried inside the building and they took many of the support columns out that resulted in the eventual collapse of the E-Ring (in conjunction with the fires). The entirety of the E, D, C rings were demolished as a result of the blast effect from the plane. Check this site from the project engineers for more information: DefenseLINK Briefing Slide: DoD News Briefing, Thursday, 07 Mar 2002 - 11:00 am Click on the various links for more photos and explanations.
2. The next two photographs show the building just after the attack. The aircraft apparently only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed toward 10:10 am. The building is 78 feet high.
How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building?
You can see from the pictures I posted that the plane did just crash into the front of the building. There are corresponding holes in the building to meet the fuselage and a limited portion of the wings and tails section. The plane did not strike the ground first, it hit right below the second floor of the E-Ring.
3. Look at the photograph of the lawn in front of the damaged building.
Where is the debris? Any debris! Did it all disintegrate on contact?
The debris is not visible in the pictures because of the sheer destructiveness of the impact against the scale and depth of field of the photos. Look at my posts and you'll see a level of detail that is much better. Critical to recall is the inertia of the mass that was the plane. Look closely at the released video and you'll see in the frames pieces of the airliner actually flying over the top of the Pentagon's E-Ring.
"Mr. Metcalf,
I'd like to reply to your article on the Pentagon and aircraft debris, Warning - this won't be a short reply! Please visit this link for some explanations and photos I provided to threads at Free Republic which assist in answering some of the questions from the non-believers: http://www.fitzweb.com/military/pentagon/index.html My website posts primarily respond to people thinking the act was a truck bomb, not an aircraft.
I'm Chief Master Sergeant John Monaccio, I'm the senior Air Force enlisted police officer for the Air Force. I was in the Pentagon on Sep 11th, in room 1B461, when we were attacked. I personally participated in rescue and recovery operations immediately after the attack, and for days afterwards, and have direct observations of many details not mentioned previously, and of what I claim in this e-mail.
The French web site's questions have a validity due to the restrictions (my word) on news coverage and photos from the site - you don't get the entire picture from what's been released. I would suggest looking at the questions from a different angle to see why there was such a disparity in coverage from WTC and the Pentagon, thus leading to questions.
From the beginning, WTC was an open book with continual coverage, the Pentagon was not. The Pentagon houses 25,000 people, most of whom work on classified information in the routines of their day. The attack blew unimaginable amounts of classified documents and other classified media into open areas. Security containers were dislodged, sensitive operations areas blown open, and classified computers and papers littered the site. The raging fires created drafts carrying classified papers into the air and distributing them everywhere on the grounds of the Pentagon .
The corresponding law enforcement response brought in agents from every possible three letter abbreviated force, many who work undercover or covert operations. Protecting their identity is a concern so they can live to fight another battle another day.
I suggest those are the reasons why access to photos, videos, etc., have been limited. For example, I was in room 1B461. The plane's inertia carried aircraft remains all the way through the building coming to rest on the outside walls of our offices. We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area.
I worked with the FBI gathering evidence in an attempt to confirm the company the airliner was from so they could track it back to it's point of origin. While doing so, we found certain religious items from the hijackers. The evidence collection process was filmed by a civilian crew working for Arlington County. The crew filmed the evidence amongst reams of classified information at the scene. Similar problems with classified existed everywhere. Photographers had the same problems of any picture they took on scene.
Now to the questions:
1. The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.
How can a Boeing 757-200 weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon?
The answer is that the plane did damage the rest of the building, it just didn't cause it to collapse. The plane hit at a 45% angle to the face of the building. An impact hole was clearly made (reference the web site photos), and the aircraft and wreckage continued some 240' through the rings of the building coming to rest in A&E Drive. The engines were buried inside the building and they took many of the support columns out that resulted in the eventual collapse of the E-Ring (in conjunction with the fires). The entirety of the E, D, C rings were demolished as a result of the blast effect from the plane. Check this site from the project engineers for more information: DefenseLINK Briefing Slide: DoD News Briefing, Thursday, 07 Mar 2002 - 11:00 am Click on the various links for more photos and explanations.
2. The next two photographs show the building just after the attack. The aircraft apparently only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed toward 10:10 am. The building is 78 feet high.
How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building?
You can see from the pictures I posted that the plane did just crash into the front of the building. There are corresponding holes in the building to meet the fuselage and a limited portion of the wings and tails section. The plane did not strike the ground first, it hit right below the second floor of the E-Ring.
3. Look at the photograph of the lawn in front of the damaged building.
Where is the debris? Any debris! Did it all disintegrate on contact?
The debris is not visible in the pictures because of the sheer destructiveness of the impact against the scale and depth of field of the photos. Look at my posts and you'll see a level of detail that is much better. Critical to recall is the inertia of the mass that was the plane. Look closely at the released video and you'll see in the frames pieces of the airliner actually flying over the top of the Pentagon's E-Ring.
