Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
McNabb wouldn't qualify?
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Actually with Aikman, you can use the supporting cast arguement. Look at his statistics and how he played. He was not a great technical QB. He was a great leader and could manage a game well, but he does not deserve to considered one of the best QBs.
Elway better than Young? No way! If Young had started as many years as Elway his stats would be more comparative. Brady? I seriously doubt that he is technically better than Young. You could argue it though.
I don't base this off of Super Bowl wins.
Young had a strong arm, was the most accurate QB of modern times, and he could scramble. The NFL has not seen a QB that could throw and run since Young until Vick came along.
McNabb wouldn't qualify?
3 weeks of training camp are not going to effect a great QB who has been playing for 20 years....
Actually with Aikman, you can use the supporting cast arguement. Look at his statistics and how he played. He was not a great technical QB. He was a great leader and could manage a game well, but he does not deserve to considered one of the best QBs.
Elway better than Young? No way! If Young had started as many years as Elway his stats would be more comparative. Brady? I seriously doubt that he is technically better than Young. You could argue it though.
I don't base this off of Super Bowl wins.
Young had a strong arm, was the most accurate QB of modern times, and he could scramble. The NFL has not seen a QB that could throw and run since Young until Vick came along.
Supporting cast argument? Young had the greatest WR in the history of the sport. Think he wore #80. What was his name again?
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think your judgement of Aikman is influenced by your dislike (hatred?) of the Cowboys.
ToughOmbre said:Elway took (carried) his team to the Super Bowl five times (lost three to superior teams, including your Niners), 14-7 post season record. Young got there once, 8-6 post season.
ToughOmbre" said:No doubt about it, Young was a deserving first ballot Hall of Famer. Actually Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner (two future Hall of Famers) have slightly higher completion percentages than Steve Young.
You must be kidding. Young? His supporting cast was every bit as good as Aikman's, but Troy didn't CHOKE when it counted. And to say he is even in the same class as Elway and Brady is a farce. All the statistics in the regular season don't mean diddly. What did he do when it counted?
Young would have done that without Rice. He had amazing skills.
No actually I am not kidding? Troy never had the skills to be placed in the same category as the greats. A great player does not have to win titles to be a great athlete. Using your logic, Marino is diddly squat! Doing such a thing is a farce...
Think we're mostly splitting hairs. Our lists are very similiar. If you talk to a 100 football fans, they would all probably list the same core of greatest QBs with a few differences as we have done.
Skills? Let us compare playoff records....Aikman is 73% as a playoff starter, Brady is 82%, Terry Bradshaw is 74%, Unitas is 73%, Elway is 67%, Montana is 70%. By comparison, Steve Young is 57%-This puts him in good company with Doug Williams at 57%, Fran Tarkenton at 55%, and Jim Kelly at 53%. Not very stellar company. Your man was simply mediocre when it counted.
I never said that winning titles make a great athlete. But being a great athlete is not enough. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Fran Tarkenton, and Kordell Stewart were ALL better athletes than Brady, Montana, and Unitas; does anybody think they were better quarterbacks? Kordell who?
As to Marino, all I can say is this. Marino got to a Super Bowl in spite of the team around him. Young got there largely because of the team around him. And to state that Young would have been as good without Jerry Rice is just disingenuous. Would Bradshaw been as good w/out Swann? Unitas w/out Ray Berry?
Finally, I saw those NFC championship games against Dallas. Frankly, I was nervous facing the Niners since I had seen Montana regularly tear us apart. But anybody could see that Young was over his head. He played awfully. As a Cowboy fan, I hate to admit it, but Frisco should have won those games in January of 93, and January of 94; they didn't because Dallas had Aikman, and Frisco had Young.
No offense, but I think you are looking at through beer goggled eyes (as a Dallas fan, as a Niner fan, I might be doing the same...)....
Didn't this thread, once upon a time, be about Brett Favre returning to the NFL? Been two days and he is still un-retired.
Was it? I thought it was about the QB's that were better than Favre?Didn't this thread, once upon a time, be about Brett Favre returning to the NFL? Been two days and he is still un-retired.
Most of us are guilty of that.
TO
Was it? I thought it was about the QB's that were better than Favre?
No, there's no problem... I actually liked reading the posts about what QB's are better than Favre.Exactly, but that is what is great about it. Fans talking **** about their favorite teams and players. As long as it stays fun and not personal, it is okay. Hell I would even drink a beer with a Cowboys fan afterwords...
Is there a problem?
You hate the Steelers and the Eagles????? MY TWO FAVORITE TEAMS!No problem, I'm and equal oppotunity hater, I hate the Cowboys, the Eagles, the Steelers, and the PACKERS most of all