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I think Adler already mentioned we don't want politics here.
Yes President Trump has Covid. I wish him and his wife a speedy recovery and hope the symptomes stay mild.
Carry on to other topics.
Yes President Trump has Covid. I wish him and his wife a speedy recovery and hope the symptomes stay mild.
Carry on to other topics.
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Italy report, 4th October, weekly changes
cases 325,329, +15,459, deaths 35,986 +151, recovered 231,914, +7,497, active cases 57,429, +7,811, tests 11,784,105, +697,041, people tested 7,117,315, +416,883
fatality rate 11.1% (-0.5)
mortality rate 597 per million (+3)
test rate 195.4 per thousand (+11.6)
positive rate 4.6% (=)
test rate this week 11,556 per million (+679)
positive rate this week 3.7% (+0.8)
new case rate this week 256 per million (+62)
cases 325,329, +15,459, deaths 35,986 +151, recovered 231,914, +7,497, active cases 57,429, +7,811, tests 11,784,105, +697,041, people tested 7,117,315, +416,883
fatality rate 11.1% (-0.5)
mortality rate 597 per million (+3)
test rate 195.4 per thousand (+11.6)
positive rate 4.6% (=)
test rate this week 11,556 per million (+679)
positive rate this week 3.7% (+0.8)
new case rate this week 256 per million (+62)
MiTasol
2nd Lieutenant
Interesting findings that need more research.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...ow-coronavirus-spreads-new-study-finds/823777
https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...ow-coronavirus-spreads-new-study-finds/823777
at6
1st Sergeant
What I get from the study is that "experts" still can't accurately decide what will stop the spread. This thing may not go away until there is no one left to infect.
It's fairly unanimous that a vaccine will stop the spread. Except maybe in the US where not enough people will get it: U.S. Public Now Divided Over Whether To Get COVID-19 Vaccine
Glider
Captain
I fundamentally disagree.
The UK got off to a dreadful start when the virus hit losing up to approx. 900 people a day at it's worst. Then they clamped down on movement country wide, now everyone wears masks when in shops or when close to each other. Stringent cleaning processes are in place and according to the independent Johns Hopkins organisation website, yesterday the UK had 19 deaths due to the virus.
There have been a handful of days when no one died in the UK because of the virus and the 19 is the sign of the second wave arriving due to schools and universities reopening. As a result the authorities are introducing targeted restrictions in areas where there are hotspots but outside those areas people can travel at will.
The basics are very simple
a) You can have the virus and be contagious without showing any symptoms
b) The virus is transmitted primarily via droplets in the air. People argue about how far, but no one argues that it isn't airborne
c) Wearing a mask whether or not you have symptoms, massively reduces the amount of contaminated droplets in the air
d) As a result contamination is significantly reduced, reducing the spread
900ish down to 19 is by any standards a massive reduction, in my mind the evidence is unarguable unless anyone has a better explanation for this massive improvement.
I fail to see how anyone finds the above difficult or inconclusive
at6
1st Sergeant
I've even started to wear a mask when I'm posting to this thread.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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One issue is that stopping the spread requires a) long-term immunity and a vaccination of enough of the populace or b) all the susceptible people die. Option a is not certain, as 1) there is some evidence, currently anecdotal[1], that lasting immunity may not occur 2) there is a significant amount of anti-vax idiots[2], which seems to be concentrated in the First World[3] and the more conservative parts of Pakistan and 3) a sufficiently effective vaccine may not be possible. Option b is deprecated on moral grounds.
[1] There have been two cases reported in the non-refereed medical press.
[2] I'm being kind.
[3] Interestingly, refusal to vaccinate in the US tends to be greater in wealthier ZIP codes. This is proof wealth and intelligence are not perfectly correlated[4].
[4] See [2]
at6
1st Sergeant
I've discussed the vaccination possibility with my Health Care Provider and he said that he would be first in line to be Vaccinated as a first responder. I would be next due to underlying conditions. The rest of you will just have to wait or die which ever comes first.
I still say, the effect of the mask has never been proven to be that effective. In the mean time you are breathing your own exhaust gasses.
I don't see how a mask does not reduce the number of particles in the air.
Glider
Captain
Can I ask which part of the following isn't clear :-
a) You can have the virus and be contagious without showing any symptoms
b) The virus is transmitted primarily via droplets in the air. People argue about how far, but no one argues that it isn't airborne
c) Wearing a mask whether or not you have symptoms (see 'a' above), massively reduces the amount of contaminated droplets in the air
d) As a result contamination is significantly reduced, reducing the spread
Re your comment 'In the mean time you are breathing your own exhaust gasses.'
If you have the virus it doesn't matter if you are breathing your own gasses, because you already have the virus. However if you have the virus, then wearing a mask significantly reduces the chances of you spreading the virus to others.
Remember the UK numbers are massively down from the peak and if you have a better reason for this fall then I would like to hear it, because it wasn't luck.
Dash119
Senior Airman
Even if the droplets are smaller than the mesh of the mask, some are bound to hang up in the material it is constructed from. And, I'm pretty sure if you ask any Surgeon or Surgical Nurse, the breathing of one's own exhaust gasses is not an issue...
at6
1st Sergeant
Wear the mask. It keeps your particulates confined to you. As far as your exhaust gas, it still beats breathing a fart.
I'm a bodyman, always in the presence of a lot of dust, or paint overspray.
I wear a mast at least half of every workday, sometimes the whole day.
Been doing this for over 45 years.
I guess it's amazing I've been breathing my own exhaust for that long and still living.
I'm the only 70+ year old bodyman in my area still working, mainly because I wore that stupid little paper mask from day one .
I wear a mast at least half of every workday, sometimes the whole day.
Been doing this for over 45 years.
I guess it's amazing I've been breathing my own exhaust for that long and still living.
I'm the only 70+ year old bodyman in my area still working, mainly because I wore that stupid little paper mask from day one .
Fact is that there is no proof that the mask does any significant good.
It's not that I have never worn a mask. I've been wearing them for years in the lab and these were not the rubbish people put on their faces nowadays. But I will not start the discussion again. Believe what you want to believe.
Now someone will come up with the "pee in the pants" cartoon...
It's not that I have never worn a mask. I've been wearing them for years in the lab and these were not the rubbish people put on their faces nowadays. But I will not start the discussion again. Believe what you want to believe.
Now someone will come up with the "pee in the pants" cartoon...
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