N4521U
Colonel
I think we will take it,
I will make arrangements!
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I will make arrangements!
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Ship it over please - It is the Qld fire season now and far too dry - our dam is almost empty and five months to go before we get real rain.
yosimitesam
Airman 1st Class
Yes, indeed. Core samples drilled all over the place show that long before now (going back at least to the last ice age) the forests and scrub burned regularly. If a section burns every 10 years or so it cannot build up so much "fuel" beneath the canopy that fires will be large and completely destructive. In fact, some tree species (the Giant Sequoia, for one) will not drop their cones/seeds until a fire burns near their base. (The National Park Service sets controlled fires beneath the trees in Sequoia National Park, regularly.) This behavior is an adaptation that permits its seeds to germinate and grow with minimal competition. The "new growth" following a fire is very nutritious for herbivore wildlife and they seek it out as soon as re-germination starts.
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Erich
the old Sage
oak flat fire now 30K and climbing. over 1100 personnel on it.
Aerial firefighting now a key global strategy as bushfire season looms, authorities say
Despite a tragic accident in Greece, local fire authorities emphasise the effectiveness of aerial firefighting in bushfire protection. An Aerial Pacific Conference in Dubbo has gathered fire authorities from various continents to discuss innovations in aerial firefighting and supporting...
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Erich
the old Sage
33K now 997 personell working on it 9 copters. this thing is crazy into steep country either side of the Rogue River.
N4521U
Colonel
Aussie aborigines and Native American Indians have known this for many many centuries.
White man think natives ignorant!
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
I blame the Enlightenment.
yosimitesam
Airman 1st Class
Yes. There is a story from WWII that shows how empirical knowlege, such as this, should always be respected. When the USAAF was building the numerous airfields in the Dobodura airfield complex in Papua New Guinea, they hired many local Papua natives to cut and burn the kunai grass to clear areas for shops, bivouac areas, landing strips, etc. The Papuans pointed out to the American engineers certain areas that they should not build on, since those areas contained "evil spirits" that will "inhabit your bodies." The engineers sneered at and ignored the advice of the natives. It turned out that these areas of the Dobodura plain (an ancient alluvial plain) were infested with a mite that carried bush typhus, a.k.a scrub typhus. You can guess the outcome. It took massive amounts of DDT to get rid of the mites, after numerous cases of scrub typhus among American service men. People who live in an area for thousands of years will always have detailed knowledge about said area that no "educated" interloper will have.
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fubar57
General
Last update, dated July 25th, the Donnie Creek fire is 583,153 Hectares or 2251 Square Miles
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Three people died on Sunday after two helicopters collided while fighting a fire in Riverside County, California, according to emergency officials.
At a news conference early Monday, Cal Fire Southern Region Chief David Fulcher said one of the helicopters landed safely, while the other did not.
"Unfortunately, the second helicopter crashed and tragically all three members perished, which included one Cal Fire Division chief, one Cal Fire captain and one contract client pilot," Fulcher said. He did not identify the victims of the crash.
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the incident.
Fulcher said the helicopters were deployed to put out a fire near the intersection of Broadway Street and South Ronda Avenue in Cabazon.
thehill.com
At a news conference early Monday, Cal Fire Southern Region Chief David Fulcher said one of the helicopters landed safely, while the other did not.
"Unfortunately, the second helicopter crashed and tragically all three members perished, which included one Cal Fire Division chief, one Cal Fire captain and one contract client pilot," Fulcher said. He did not identify the victims of the crash.
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the incident.
Fulcher said the helicopters were deployed to put out a fire near the intersection of Broadway Street and South Ronda Avenue in Cabazon.
3 killed after midair collision of firefighting helicopters
Three people died on Sunday after two helicopters collided while fighting a fire in Riverside County, California, according to emergency officials. At a news conference early Monday, Cal Fire South…
thehill.com
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
Three people died on Sunday after two helicopters collided while fighting a fire in Riverside County, California, according to emergency officials.
At a news conference early Monday, Cal Fire Southern Region Chief David Fulcher said one of the helicopters landed safely, while the other did not.
"Unfortunately, the second helicopter crashed and tragically all three members perished, which included one Cal Fire Division chief, one Cal Fire captain and one contract client pilot," Fulcher said. He did not identify the victims of the crash.
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the incident.
Fulcher said the helicopters were deployed to put out a fire near the intersection of Broadway Street and South Ronda Avenue in Cabazon.
3 killed after midair collision of firefighting helicopters
Three people died on Sunday after two helicopters collided while fighting a fire in Riverside County, California, according to emergency officials. At a news conference early Monday, Cal Fire South…
There's something worrying about trying to blame someone for the state we're in. Your house is on fire but you're arguing about whether it was electrical or not.
Greg Boeser
2nd Lieutenant
I blame myself. If I wanted, I could move to any other state. But here I remain.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I prefer living in a state of confusion.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Three dead in California firefighting helicopter collision
1h ago
By Georgie Hewson
Two firefighting helicopters have collided while responding to a blaze in Southern California, sending one to the ground in a crash, killing all three people on board.
The accident happened in the desert about 137 kilometres east of Los Angeles and involved a huge Sikorsky S-64E and a smaller Bell 407.
The larger Sikorsky plane landed safely.
The victims were Fire Assistant Chief Josh Bischof, Fire Captain Tim Rodriguez, and contract pilot Tony Sousa.
While battling the blaze, the two helicopters collided just before 7pm.
The crash caused an additional 4-acre fire, which was extinguished.
The crash is being investigated by the National Transportation Safety Board.
N4521U
Colonel
You're in NY, you have succeeded!
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fubar57
General
More tankers added... Conair buys seven more Dash 8s to upgrade aerial firefighting fleet
N4521U
Colonel
Lotta pilots going back to work.
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fubar57
General
As a reference, the Donnie Creek fire, in northern B.C., is slightly larger than the area inside the black lines, burning since May 12
