A lot depends on the scenario too. Back when F-14s would come in and out of Pt. Mugu, the T-28 guys used to play around with them. I know one T-28 pilot that managed to get 2 F-14s on the same flight. Talk about being taken unaware. And for the record, it wasn't me, although I am in the picture with the T-28 with the 2 kills.