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We've all done really stoopid and inhumane things in our lives to one degree or another, and yes, there are a few tapes of me doing some really bad things out there...
U did something stupid, deal with the consequences... Thats how boys become men, consequence...
All I can say about this Jarhead is, thank God it wasnt a Squid....
You may say the animal charities are over the top, but even the puniest human has more capability for self-defence than a puppy. There is simply NO EXCUSE for being cruel to animals, it is cowardly and pathetic, and I hope this is just another fake...
If they are Marines and it is not faked they should be flogged for being cruel and idiots.
If it is faked and they are Marines they should be flogged for being idiots.
If they are not Marines and it is real they should be flogged for being cruel and impersonating a Marine.
If they are not Marines and it is fakes they should be flogged for being idiots and impersonating a Marine.
Any way you look at it they should be flogged for one reason or another!!!
However, animal cruelty laws in most US states go way beyond anything that is reasonable. Again - they're animals, not human beings.
Agreed.I have been involved in some cases first hand where the history was as young kids they tortured animals and graduated to other horrendous things.
Njaco, you hit the nail on the head. Cruelty to animals is a sadistic behavior and it will crossover into other parts of the perp's life. There are many questions about this video and no matter what is determined to be the truth in this case, someone will doubt it or scream injustice. It's really a no win situation for the Marines involved and Marines in general. Bad PR for the good guys. But then again, if the enemy thinks that Marines are heartless killers, maybe that's not such a bad thing either.
On that I disagree with. Do animals not feel pain?
In my opinion the full book should be thrown at people who are cruel to animals (I am not talking about legit hunting). They are living beings as well.
I think Vick got off easy and the punishments for offenders should be much harsher than they are.
An animal has no way of really defending itself. It is wrong...
I am in no way a tree hugging Greenie or anything but animal cruelty is just as bad as doing it to humans.
I pray that this is a fake. As a former US service member I hold all US Service members to a high standard and this is one of them. If it is not a fake, I would punish them more harsher than I would a civilian and a civilian I would punish greatly!
I agree with part of what you say - but many animals out there will tear a human to pieces. Where animals are afforded absurd protection is when a gator comes onto your property in FL and you can't kill it or else you'll be prosecuted - you have to make a telephone call and wait until a warden comes. You can kill a damn human in FL for threatening you for pete's sake!
mkloby said:Again - it's only an animal.
These are the problems that I have - I think you and I agree for the most part, but where we might disagree is where to set the limits of animal protection. It's not that clear always as self defense/cruelty, and these are problems I have with the Endangered Species Act. It prohibits the trafficking and such of the listed species, and rightfully so. But there's more to it. You kill one of those protected animals, and you must prove by a proponderance of the evidence that you acted in self defense. Now, what about protection of your property? You have to allow that animal to destroy your property so long as it does not cause you or threaten to cause you bodily harm? Why is the onus on the defendant to prove that he acted in self defense, and it not on the government to prove that you did not act in self defense?No, there is a difference between self defence and being cruel to animals. You can not even compare it. If you abuse an animal for the hell of it, the book should be thrown at you.
Again it does not compare.
I am actually surprised to hear you say that. Didn't god create these poor animals that you are talking about?
These are the problems that I have - I think you and I agree for the most part, but where we might disagree is where to set the limits of animal protection. It's not that clear always as self defense/cruelty, and these are problems I have with the Endangered Species Act. It prohibits the trafficking and such of the listed species, and rightfully so. But there's more to it. You kill one of those protected animals, and you must prove by a proponderance of the evidence that you acted in self defense. Now, what about protection of your property? You have to allow that animal to destroy your property so long as it does not cause you or threaten to cause you bodily harm? Why is the onus on the defendant to prove that he acted in self defense, and it not on the government to prove that you did not act in self defense?
Why use the description "poor animal?" That just tugs at the heartstrings. In cases where someone commits a blatant act of cruelty, such as in this video if it is real, I completely agree with you, don't get me wrong. But I believe people go way overboard in the protections that they wish afforded to animals, which I said above. I'm not saying cruelty towards God's creatures is ok - it's absolutely not. Humans must be responsible custodians of the Earth, including all forms of life.