The Fw 190A-9 of Siegfried Baer, 5.Staffel, II./JG301, in Detail....

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  1. Erich

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    The man in question....
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    hey nice pic of his old marker Dan 8)

    here is the new one that the small village replaced at their own expense, I sent them of course huge thank you's

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    it's deceiving Wurger and very subtle. A friend did an interpretation of my cousins A-9 some years ago .............

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    Looking reliably.Was the rudder white painted or with RLM76?
     
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    Wurger it is just the brightness of the light, it is blue-grey with an overspray right up the tail spine of grey. the pic is not that great but it will have to do. many of JG 301's birds were of many different shades of greys-violet, and green-browns this was also present in their Dora 9's till wars end and then predominance of the so-called bright green on JG 301's Ta 152H's
     
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    I understand.From this view the rudder looks like white painted.
    And THX for the rest of the info. :D
     
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    well I'm back with JG 301 again guys........ this is a possible rendition of my cousins a/c. the white gruppe bar should be red with a very thin yellow outline when the red goes into the red of the bi-colour defense band
     

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    As most will know, Erichs' cousin Siegfried died in combat on 26 November, 1944, whilst flying White 2 during one of the darkest days for II./JG301...

    This thread is to discuss the details of his crate, from the most excellent of sources.... This info will be used by several members here in the construction of detailed models....

    Erich, the stage is urs.... If u would, please repost as much as u can certain tidbits/photos to get this thread rollin....
     
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    let me work up some stuff Les, maybe by early next week, December is an insane month.

    gents and ladies

    if any of you have Will reschkes book on Jg 301/302 you can see that in September of 44 that the Bf 109G's were replaced in all 3 gruppen with Fw 190A-8's and A-9's. According to the photos provided in his book it is seen several different camo combinations and in fact JG 301's birds by wars end were almost a scrape of different green, brown-violets and greys. the rudder could be a different colour that the tail section as example with the engine cowling back to the canopy something completely different. some of III. gruppe machines had the white spinner spiral and many did not as the spiral effect did give the US heavy bomber gunners something to stare at and fire towards.

    My cousins A-9 camo is one of conjecture because his II. gruppe was divided into 2 staffels flying high cover and 2 staffels flying the heavy attack the bombers. whether his a/c had the four 20mm for attacking the heavy birds or just two inboard 20mm for use against the US P-51 formations is not certain. what is known is that he flew an A-9, some say an R11 with bad weather gear fitted.

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    Ill transfer some info regarding Siegfrieds info...

     
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    And the reply:
     
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    In Willis' book on JG301, Siegfried is listed as lost on page 173, due to aircombat flying Fw190A-9/R11 WrkNr. 260085....
     
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    back to my response to Wayne. the red gruppe bar was very cl.ose to the red in the fusleage band so the red horizontal bar was given a very thin yellow outline.

    Reschkes book is wrong as there is a strong chance that it was only an A-9. the Werke nummer is incorrect as well as it is 206085 part of the new A-9 block in September of 44......then possibly a flat canopy and not a bulbed one on later models, also hard to say whether it had the standard prop or a wooden one for more power
     
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    Erich, the A-9 of KG(J)27 White 2 W.Nr.206000, do you have the images of this bird?
    It clearly has wooden prop blades with what is left of the portion of the top one that is visible, it looks like it is the wider blade, but only a short stump is actually left to be seen under the GI's arm.
    Would this give us a positve toward this prop type? or are there simply too many machines between this and 260085?
     
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    Work Number has been corrected by Erich to 206085, NOT 260085....
     
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    Ah, sorry Les that was my typo! got 206000 right then reversed the '06'...
     
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    Hi Erich,

    may I print it out and send it to Willi Reschke with your permission? I mean the picture of Siegfried´s FW...
     
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    yes my friend go ahead. I think though the red bar for second group needs to be noted, the canopy may have been flat not the later type that was rounded but I am still not 100 % sure

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