parsifal
Colonel
I wonder if Clave would do sketches of any of these hypotheticals? It would then give the judges something to measure the build from from the point of view of accuracy at least.....
The Next Generation Group Builds Listing
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Lucky13
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Could squeeze in a Swedish TSR-2, as we had shown an interest in them, splinter camo, of course! 
Vic Balshaw
Major General
I thought it was about time we all put our heads together and sorted out what would be good subjects for the Next Generation GBs. I've looked through the comments from when Terry started the ball rolling some time back and have also gathered comments from the other judges.
In the main we want to keep the core building subjects within the WWII theme but in order to provide some distraction and stimulate interest, other periods of aviation history are also listed as possible construction themes.
Some of you suggested we might have GBs for the building of ship, boats, space ships, armament etc. Well this was considered but it was felt that this is stepping to far outside the core WWII aircraft GB theme. However folks, should you wish to build and display models other than aircraft, please feel free to do so as you can still post your skills on the other modeling threads such as "Start to Finish Builds" or "Your Completed Kits", both of which are well frequented and supported within this forum.
A couple of other points that have been considered are the use of "Split Builds" and the need to try and give as wide a scope as possible in building model aircraft. We also recently extended the end of GB 13 to finish on the first Sunday following the end of the finishing month. It has been suggested and in general agreed that this should now be the normal process at the end of each GB with the exception that should the GB final month finish on a Sunday, that would then be the cut off day.
So having said all that, I have taken most of the suggestions added some of my own and come up with a rather large list of possible subject with just a small explanation of MY thoughts on that subject.
Please folks, have a look at what is here and let me know your thoughts, suggestions or preferences.
Spanish Civil War July 1936-April 1939. Gives good scope for a variety of aircraft involved in the war.
Battle of the Atlantic WWII Allied or Axis. Opens the door for carrier as well as Coastal Command aircraft either in search and rescue, ship launched, coastal or convoy defence and float planes.
Korean War Jun 1950-Jul 1953. A chance to bring in aircraft from both sides of the conflict, including carrier and support aircraft.
Mediterranean Theatre of Operations-North Africa WWII. Including the North African Campaign, the siege of Malta and the Allied landings in Sicily. Good scope for Italian and Vichy aircraft.
What could have been (WCHB) of no set period. (e.g Swedish TSR2, Brit F-111 etc) The WCHB giving people a chance to express imagination with prototypes flying or non-flying with prop or jet propulsion. * *
Battle for France (The Blitzkrieg). Giving scope for allied or axis builds, not forgetting Italy and France.
Commonwealth Aircraft WWII. Aircraft built and used by Commonwealth countries.
Allied Europe Advance-Defense of the Rich WWII. After the European invasion, including Italy to the fall of Berlin excluding the Russian Front. A good opportunity for some of the wartime experimental aircraft.
Eastern Front-VVS WWII. A fierce battle where many an ace came into being.
Pacific Theatre of Operations WWII. Self explanatory really but an opportunity to bring in the America, Commonwealth and Japanese aircraft from the occupation of China to the occupation of Japan.
Battle of Britain. Re-run of this historic battle.
Between the wars 1919-1938. Kind of like this one with challenges for many a biplane and some monoplanes to choose from. Suggest it be open to all nationalities in any part of the word.
The Rich and its Allies. Scope to bring in some of the lesser known countries involved with the Axis powers.
Suez Crisis. Not so sure about this one as it could be a bit limiting but if we widen the scope to Africa/Middle East-Little Wars say from 1946 to 1967 when there were many calls for independence backed up by terrorist activities (little wars).
Defense of Britain WWII. Defense of Britain from the phony war to 'D' Day landings can also include Invasion Stripes.
Carrier Aircraft WWII. Very wide scope here across the board with Allied and Axis aircraft.
Vietnam French/American War 1950-1975. Good scope here for American, Commonwealth, French and Chinese aircraft either land based or carrier.
Jets 1946-1966. A break from the constant favorites i.e. Spitfire's, Bf 109s etc.
Aircraft in Foreign Service WW2. The last run of this build brought up some interesting subjects, it's worth running again.
BTW, the last GB listed is from Feb 1st-May 31st 2013 (revised finish Sunday, 2 June 2013) - The Jet Age 1944-45/Recon-Transport-Observer Aircraft of WW2 SPLIT BUILD
In the main we want to keep the core building subjects within the WWII theme but in order to provide some distraction and stimulate interest, other periods of aviation history are also listed as possible construction themes.
Some of you suggested we might have GBs for the building of ship, boats, space ships, armament etc. Well this was considered but it was felt that this is stepping to far outside the core WWII aircraft GB theme. However folks, should you wish to build and display models other than aircraft, please feel free to do so as you can still post your skills on the other modeling threads such as "Start to Finish Builds" or "Your Completed Kits", both of which are well frequented and supported within this forum.
A couple of other points that have been considered are the use of "Split Builds" and the need to try and give as wide a scope as possible in building model aircraft. We also recently extended the end of GB 13 to finish on the first Sunday following the end of the finishing month. It has been suggested and in general agreed that this should now be the normal process at the end of each GB with the exception that should the GB final month finish on a Sunday, that would then be the cut off day.
So having said all that, I have taken most of the suggestions added some of my own and come up with a rather large list of possible subject with just a small explanation of MY thoughts on that subject.
Please folks, have a look at what is here and let me know your thoughts, suggestions or preferences.
Spanish Civil War July 1936-April 1939. Gives good scope for a variety of aircraft involved in the war.
Battle of the Atlantic WWII Allied or Axis. Opens the door for carrier as well as Coastal Command aircraft either in search and rescue, ship launched, coastal or convoy defence and float planes.
Korean War Jun 1950-Jul 1953. A chance to bring in aircraft from both sides of the conflict, including carrier and support aircraft.
Mediterranean Theatre of Operations-North Africa WWII. Including the North African Campaign, the siege of Malta and the Allied landings in Sicily. Good scope for Italian and Vichy aircraft.
What could have been (WCHB) of no set period. (e.g Swedish TSR2, Brit F-111 etc) The WCHB giving people a chance to express imagination with prototypes flying or non-flying with prop or jet propulsion. * *
Battle for France (The Blitzkrieg). Giving scope for allied or axis builds, not forgetting Italy and France.
Commonwealth Aircraft WWII. Aircraft built and used by Commonwealth countries.
Allied Europe Advance-Defense of the Rich WWII. After the European invasion, including Italy to the fall of Berlin excluding the Russian Front. A good opportunity for some of the wartime experimental aircraft.
Eastern Front-VVS WWII. A fierce battle where many an ace came into being.
Pacific Theatre of Operations WWII. Self explanatory really but an opportunity to bring in the America, Commonwealth and Japanese aircraft from the occupation of China to the occupation of Japan.
Battle of Britain. Re-run of this historic battle.
Between the wars 1919-1938. Kind of like this one with challenges for many a biplane and some monoplanes to choose from. Suggest it be open to all nationalities in any part of the word.
The Rich and its Allies. Scope to bring in some of the lesser known countries involved with the Axis powers.
Suez Crisis. Not so sure about this one as it could be a bit limiting but if we widen the scope to Africa/Middle East-Little Wars say from 1946 to 1967 when there were many calls for independence backed up by terrorist activities (little wars).
Defense of Britain WWII. Defense of Britain from the phony war to 'D' Day landings can also include Invasion Stripes.
Carrier Aircraft WWII. Very wide scope here across the board with Allied and Axis aircraft.
Vietnam French/American War 1950-1975. Good scope here for American, Commonwealth, French and Chinese aircraft either land based or carrier.
Jets 1946-1966. A break from the constant favorites i.e. Spitfire's, Bf 109s etc.
Aircraft in Foreign Service WW2. The last run of this build brought up some interesting subjects, it's worth running again.
BTW, the last GB listed is from Feb 1st-May 31st 2013 (revised finish Sunday, 2 June 2013) - The Jet Age 1944-45/Recon-Transport-Observer Aircraft of WW2 SPLIT BUILD
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A4K
Brigadier General
Some good subjects there Vic.
Some might be too limited in subject or scope (Korea, Suez Crisis esp.), but could be good Split build subjects.
My personal preferences:
Commonwealth Aircraft WWII
The theatre builds (Eastern Front, Allied advance into europe, Pacific ToP)
Between the Wars
The Battle of Britain
Battle of the Atlantic
Some might be too limited in subject or scope (Korea, Suez Crisis esp.), but could be good Split build subjects.
My personal preferences:
Commonwealth Aircraft WWII
The theatre builds (Eastern Front, Allied advance into europe, Pacific ToP)
Between the Wars
The Battle of Britain
Battle of the Atlantic
Vic Balshaw
Major General
Thanks Even, just the stuff I need.
Crimea_River
Marshal
Maybe we should run a poll Vic like the members choice? Not sure how to do that myself.
Vic Balshaw
Major General
Me neither Andy but I'm running a tally of members selections.
Lucky13
Forum Mascot
I thought it was about time we all put our heads together and sorted out what would be good subjects for the Next Generation GBs. I've looked through the comments from when Terry started the ball rolling some time back and have also gathered comments from the other judges.
In the main we want to keep the core building subjects within the WWII theme but in order to provide some distraction and stimulate interest, other periods of aviation history are also listed as possible construction themes.
Some of you suggested we might have GBs for the building of ship, boats, space ships, armament etc. Well this was considered but it was felt that this is stepping to far outside the core WWII aircraft GB theme. However folks, should you wish to build and display models other than aircraft, please feel free to do so as you can still post your skills on the other modeling threads such as "Start to Finish Builds" or "Your Completed Kits", both of which are well frequented and supported within this forum.
A couple of other points that have been considered are the use of "Split Builds" and the need to try and give as wide a scope as possible in building model aircraft. We also recently extended the end of GB 13 to finish on the first Sunday following the end of the finishing month. It has been suggested and in general agreed that this should now be the normal process at the end of each GB with the exception that should the GB final month finish on a Sunday, that would then be the cut off day.
So having said all that, I have taken most of the suggestions added some of my own and come up with a rather large list of possible subject with just a small explanation of MY thoughts on that subject.
Please folks, have a look at what is here and let me know your thoughts, suggestions or preferences.
Spanish Civil War July 1936-April 1939. Gives good scope for a variety of aircraft involved in the war. Could see me do an early '109 or a 'Rata' here..
Battle of the Atlantic WWII. Opens the door for carrier as well as Coastal Command aircraft either in search and rescue, ship launched, coastal or convoy defence and float planes. Deffo have ideas for this one, Catalina in Atlantic Camo....btw, would Axis be legal, then my MIA '88A-4 in 1/32 would be game!
Korean War Jun 1950-Jul 1953. A chance to bring in aircraft from both sides of the conflict, including carrier and support aircraft.
Mediterranean Theatre of Operations-North Africa WWII. Including the North African Campaign, the siege of Malta and the Allied landings in Sicily. Good scope for Italian and Vichy aircraft. Yup, Deffo here as well, James Hagerstroms F-86F, 67th FBS/18th FBG...
What could have been (WCHB). (e.g Swedish TSR2, Brit F-111 etc) The WCHB giving people a chance to express imagination with prop or jet propulsion. Totally the Swedish TSR.2!
Battle for France (The Blitzkrieg). Giving scope for allied or axis builds, not forgetting Italy and France. Could find something here, '87 me think!
Commonwealth Aircraft WWII. Aircraft built and used by Commonwealth countries. Hmmmm....
Allied Europe Advance-Defense of the Rich WWII. After the European invasion, including Italy to the fall of Berlin excluding the Russian Front. A good opportunity for some of the wartime experimental aircraft. Maybe the B-26 or a late war '109/Fw 190?
Eastern Front-VVS WWII. A fierce battle where many an ace came into being. Got a couple of VVS fighters sitting...
Pacific Theatre of Operations WWII. Self explanatory really but an opportunity to bring in the America, Commonwealth and Japanese aircraft from the occupation of China to the occupation of Japan. Another USS Yorktown CV-5 bird maybe....
Battle of Britain. Re-run of this historic battle. Who knows....
Between the wars 1919-1938. Kind of like this one with challenges for many a biplane and some monoplanes to choose from. Suggest it be open to all nationalities in any part of the word. This one would be fun, lots of colourful aircraft about!
The Rich and its Allies. Scope to bring in some of the lesser known countries involved with the Axis powers. Yup! Axis birds!
Suez Crisis. Not so sure about this one as it could be a bit limiting but if we widen the scope to Africa/Middle East-Little Wars say from 1946 to 1967 when there were many calls for independence backed up by terrorist activities (little wars). Oh aye! Something in Black/Yellow stripes!
Defense of Britain WWII. Defense of Britain from the phony war to 'D' Day landings can also include Invasion Stripes. Could be interesting, sorry....SHOULD be interesting!
Carrier Aircraft WWII. Very wide scope here across the board with Allied and Axis aircraft. Maybe a bird from an Escort Carrier this time...
Vietnam French/American War 1950-1975. Good scope here for American, Commonwealth, French and Chinese aircraft either land based or carrier. USS Coral Sea bird me thinks...
Jets 1946-1966. A break from the constant favorites i.e. Spitfire's, Bf 109s etc. Got a few ideas here...
Aircraft in Foreign Service WW2. The last run of this build brought up some interesting subjects, it's worth running again. Would love to do a 1/48 Northrop A-8(?), the Swedish dive bomber B-5, if I could find one, or maybe this time do the Swedish J-11, Fiat CR.42....
BTW, the last GB listed is from Feb 1st-May 31st 2013 (revised finish Sunday, 2 June 2013) - The Jet Age 1944-45/Recon-Transport-Observer Aircraft of WW2 SPLIT BUILD
As already been stated, maybe the Korean War/Suez Crisis would suit as a split build....
Catch22
Major
Hmm, some of these have already been somewhat covered? But there are some good ideas there.
Also, and this is off topic to the future build discussion. But for the next build, the carrier build, is it for WW2 only? I've got lots of subjects either way, but this will help me narrow it down.
Also, and this is off topic to the future build discussion. But for the next build, the carrier build, is it for WW2 only? I've got lots of subjects either way, but this will help me narrow it down.
imalko
Chief Master Sergeant
Carrier Build include all eras for greater variety of entries. It's been said many times before.
As for the list, interesting themes there. Some of them were covered already but no harm in repeating them if there's an interest among members. Think that setting a pool would be the best move to sort out the list. Here are few more suggestions on my part: Hellicopter GB for example and maybe something along the lines of Aircraft build in a specific country like "Made in USSR GB", "Made in USA GB", "Made in Germany GB" and so on. This could be limited to the WW2 time frame only or could include all ears.
As for the list, interesting themes there. Some of them were covered already but no harm in repeating them if there's an interest among members. Think that setting a pool would be the best move to sort out the list. Here are few more suggestions on my part: Hellicopter GB for example and maybe something along the lines of Aircraft build in a specific country like "Made in USSR GB", "Made in USA GB", "Made in Germany GB" and so on. This could be limited to the WW2 time frame only or could include all ears.
Catch22
Major
Thanks Igor, must have missed it as I haven't been around much.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Some good stuff there Vic - a couple of 'repeats' of previous GBs, but that's OK.
I don't agree that Korea is limited though - there's quite a lot to go at, with at least 10 types I can think of (including the ubiquitous Sabre and MiG 15), off 'the top of my head', and a large variety of colourful, and not so colourful, schemes.
I don't agree that Korea is limited though - there's quite a lot to go at, with at least 10 types I can think of (including the ubiquitous Sabre and MiG 15), off 'the top of my head', and a large variety of colourful, and not so colourful, schemes.
meatloaf109
1st Lieutenant
Battle of Atlantic and Allied advance/ Defence of the reich got my vote.
Vic Balshaw
Major General
Good on you Jan, thinking ahead. As for your query re "Battle of the Atlantic WWII" I've amend to stat Allied or Axis.
Thanks for the input and suggestions Igor. I did think along the same lines at one stage but felt that such builds could be a little to specific and not provide enough scope, I also thought that many of the listed suggestion builds already gave good opportunity for aircraft of these countries to be included. Maybe the only exception would be the USSR.
Thanks also Cory, Terry and Paul.
I also agree that some of these are re-runs of former builds and two factors came into play here:
1. A number of us, including myself were not members when the earlier builds took place.
2. We currently have another 12 months of GBs on the cards and by the time some of the repetition builds come round, it could be two or even three years hence and hopefully by that time people will be ready for such a build.
All comments and suggestions will be taken note of but it is up to you guys out there to let me know what are your likes and dislikes. Once I feel I have a good cross section input I'll revise the list according to popularity and post it for a second review.
T Bolt
Colonel
The "What could have been " interests me. Maybe it could be expanded to include prototypes that didn't make it such as the XP-55 and unbuilt projects like the many German designs at the end of the war. Could make for some really interesting builds.
N4521U
Colonel
What the GB's are doing for me is getting me to Finish something, something with a story. I tend to work on too many at any one time, never really finishing. Not to mention the research.
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Catch22
Major
I was just pointing out that some would be repeats, but I agree it might not be a bad thing. I've got some kits now that would fit some of the previous GBs (or I never actually started ), so I'd be ok with that with some new ones sprinkled in.
), so I'd be ok with that with some new ones sprinkled in.
Vic Balshaw
Major General
Thanks Glenn, I've duly made the change.
Catch22
Major
A neat one may also be "Weird Aircraft", though that may fit in with some of the prototypes as well.
